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explode resolve your e-ticket riders of

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the world of the paranormal

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO

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ghosts lost world

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cryptozoology as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night after night now your electrifying

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hosts of exploring bizarre Timothy

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Wow oh geez

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oh you know I was expecting a vacation

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in the Poconos and Here I am and it's a

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placement it's full of cobwebs and in

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there with all these weird shadows that

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are just looming out of the corners and

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usually I run to Tim's course my co-host

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for protection but he'll this is the

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week that he decided to be at a town so

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I've got to make my way from this

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haunted basement the creaking stairs and

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and meet my guests in the Arlen because

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of all good ghost stories and seances

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gardening parlor and probably in the

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parlor so here we are tonight it's

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exploring the desire and our subject for

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the evening is ghosts and poltergeists

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and things that if you don't go bump in

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the night we won't have them on the show

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that's for sure

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and again my co-host Jenn Schwartz is a

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way I believe it's his niece that's

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getting married so congratulations Tim

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and - you're you're nice and tonight

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we've got a great show and a great to

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line up because we're going to be

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talking about a supernatural and you

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know how I love the supernatural and how

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the supernatural loves me because you

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know I was raised in a house that had

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poltergeists in it you know doors

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opening and closing and lights going on

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and off and there was a one occasion

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where a piece of china not an expensive

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piece but a probably the ones who got on

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were giving up for each guy - where in

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those days and probably got it with a

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Dracula flicker or something anyway it's

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proceeded to fall to the floor without

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and so I know that there is something to

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all of this and tonight we have two

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fabulous guests with us we have Laura or

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Laura as I call it because she has a -

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over the elk Hoffman who is the author

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of a new book that has just been

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released called

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ghosts of the Poconos and I'm not in the

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Poconos I wish I were but I'm here in

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New York in the city and Laura is the

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founder of the New Jersey ghost hunters

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society and she's written several other

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books called titled ghost hunting New

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York City and ghost hunting New Jersey

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and I don't know very much about Laura

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so we're going to have a conversation

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and find out that what her background is

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and how she got pulled into the

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supernatural and with us all the way up

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there in Rhode Island where the weather

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warmer than it has been in the last a

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the cool and cold season and into spring

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and we'll actually summer now I don't

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think we had a spring to be honestly and

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our guest is Paul you know one of our

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favorite guests and so Paul is a guest

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and slash co-host this evening now Paul

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is a graduated from two seminaries but

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was expelled from a third because it was

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paranormal work and and of course we all

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different approach to the the paranormal

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he doesn't necessarily believe that all

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ghosts or maybe any of the ghosts are

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spirits that per se but he refers to

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them as parasites who are actually here

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and sort of feeding off the flesh and

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souls and spirits of humans

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and Paul has been on the Discovery

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Channel and he's been of course on all

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the various talk shows or late at night

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and early in the day and is the author

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of numerous books including Paul the

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latest one is everything you thought was

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real what's the exact title well more or

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less it's that's correct but nights

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behind the paranormal yes everything you

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know what's wrong written with my son

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Ben that's right right and you have one

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of the the longest-running it shows on

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the paranormal I heard you're on Sunday

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now is that correct yes

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I'll attend to you this month and over

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broadcast a Sunday over oh wo oh and out

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of Woonsocket Rhode Island and of course

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picked up and heard heard all over the

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world on the internet and it's always a

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joy to have Paul odd and so tonight sit

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back relax

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get yourself a perhaps a beer or a stiff

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drink you may need it because of the

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subject matter and Laura hello good to

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have you with us this evening where are

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we talking to you from where are you

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located I'm here in the good old Poconos

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in Pennsylvania all you are why don't

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you start out by telling people

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something about the the Poconos I mean

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most people I guess would recognize it

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as a resort area but that's mainly for

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northeastern Pennsylvania through the

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Airy casino I don't know people remember

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those old commercials back in the 70s of

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beautiful mountain area Lodge well you

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know they were they were an advertiser

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the Joe Franklin the show and Joe was a

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good dear friend of mine he was the king

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of nostalgia on TV here yeah here in New

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York and I met the owner of the of the

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Mount Arreat Lodge and I'm sure it's not

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the same owner these days but that's one

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with the heart isn't that the one with

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the heart-shaped bathtubs and stuff oh

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bathtub the heart-shaped tubs all that

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stuff and but then they also have them a

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nice new casino and Oh different

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restaurants but there's a lot of I mean

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gamble there's so much to do in the

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Poconos just in its innate beauty

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there's you know if the Bushkill Falls

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waterfall and go hiking on various

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trails there's the Delaware Water Gap if

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trails they even have on the weekends a

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freebie through the what is it through

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Monroe County they have a shuttle so you

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your Python will play get back to where

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your car is and there's a lot it's a

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nice area and yet with how much there is

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with it and in that you can live your

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life like you live here and you wouldn't

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located in the Poconos now it sounds

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like a most relaxing atmosphere and it

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is a beautiful drive why the heck is so

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haunted I think primarily it's got that

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is right there and then then you have

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it seems to like act like this magnetic

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draw and there's there's not I mean I

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time that are left here well now how did

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Jersey yes yeah how did you get to the

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that's it yeah yeah I am I met my now

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husband he came down off this mountain

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to a party were and I was in the town I

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fiancee who turned out to be my now

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husband's friend so my husband came down

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to the party to be with his friend I

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went to be with my friend and we met and

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now I was married and live here

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alright well give us a little bit of a

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scoop about your background in the in

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the paranormal because you've been

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involved in this what since 1993 yeah we

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started I started doing these

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investigations actually under the

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training of Jane Daugherty's at the time

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she was the president of the Jersey

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Society for parapsychology and she's a

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psychic renowned psychic medium and I

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had attended one of her seance firstly

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attended one of her tours ghost tours at

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the spy house

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in Port Monmouth New Jersey and after

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that I went back and attended one of her

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seances and after the seance she was

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lamenting that gee and I got all these

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recordings I make but I one of these

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days I got to type them up so that's how

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I got started was I approached her and I

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said look transcriptions one of my

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favorite things to do as a secretary and

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if you want could we barter I'll

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transcribe your tapes and in in exchange

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let me go on invest ghost investigations

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with you and learn the ropes here and

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then it worked well you know I was

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transcribing all the stuff and learning

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under her and how you know what she did

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from the psychic capacity and then

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incorporating the equipment at the time

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which was an Iowa boom box for all EVPs

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and a Sony camcorder like as an eight

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millimeter camcorder but you know we've

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come a long way in terms of equipment

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but that's what we started out with and

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that's how I got started in terms of

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that I mean what what did you did you

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have your own did you have your own them

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did you have your own experiences though

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I mean that where you raise it a house

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that was all dead or something spooked

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the hell out of you all right going back

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unfortunately transferred us very

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quickly back from Jacksonville Florida

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back up to New Jersey and the only house

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my grandmother could find and such short

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notice to rent for us was 140 year old

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house it fully equipped with two ghosts

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one male who was kind of scary who

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mostly stayed in the basement and then a

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female ghost that I kind of nicknamed

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Mable and naval was were interactive she

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had a little bit more fun she liked to

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blow up in the front door every day

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after school until he acknowledged her

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and then she would stop doing it and you

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could say Mabel Mabel set the table if I

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put the dishes on the table and they

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rattled and slide a little bit and my

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mother would get all freaked - like stop

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doing that you know and but the one

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night I remember that scared me was that

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one in the basement as I heard heavy

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footsteps coming up the stairs and my

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bedroom was right at the top of the

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stairs and when they got to the right

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outside my door just stopped

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and I'm like waiting and I was like

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that's weird cuz I know and my father at

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that time would go to bed and he usually

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hit his head on the landing above the

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stairs and I didn't hear him hit his

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head and I'm like why is he standing

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there and as fast as I'm thinking that

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my cat was asleep on the head my head on

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the pillow she stood up and her tail got

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three times the size she arched her back

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and she started hissing right at the

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door and I'm like that's not my dad you

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know so I ran out of the room and I

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jumped into my parents bed and both

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parents were there in the next morning

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my mother's like what happened what

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scared you and I told her I said well

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what time did dad go to bed she said the

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usual 11:00 I'm like well now this was

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1:00 in the morning and I told her what

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I heard and then she got nervous she

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told my father he's running around to

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see if somebody broke in and then all of

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a sudden we all stopped and looked at

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each other and were like wait a minute

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the dog would have barked if someone

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walked in and we're like oh yeah and the

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dog was sound asleep didn't you know

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just a cat tuned into like there's

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something there you know so it was that

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that and then even before that I

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remember my mother worked in the very

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haunted a well-known haunted restaurant

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to the point where the ED Moraine Warren

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came down type of haunted restaurant in

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Morristown and they told me the stories

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about Phoebe's room and Phoebe was the

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servant girl this way back in the

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eighteen hundreds of the Sarah farm and

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Antoine LeBlanc was a disgruntled

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farmhand and he ended up you know luring

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mr. and mrs. sare the farmer and his

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wife into the barn and he smacked him

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with a shovel and pummeled them and

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killed him and anyone into the house and

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the servant girl was asleep and he

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stabbed her to death in her sleep and he

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made off at the family silver and a

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posse was issued they captured him

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brought him back had a trial he was

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hanged on the green in Morristown and

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afterwards which really what would your

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heart but your was he he oh gosh I want

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to say 1826 but I'm not on the percent

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sure I don't remember all that before

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before the electric chair

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was around well this is where it gets

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weird when you talk about electricity

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because they cut his body down and it

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went off to a surgeon who actually was

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hooking up electrodes to see if he could

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reanimate it and he toys the body for a

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little bit then they sent the body to a

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tannery and they skinned him and they

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made three wallets out of Antoine skin

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and they auction them off to offset the

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costs of the trial and the hanging and

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my great-grandmother had one of those

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wallets Wow you can sell that for a lot

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of money on eBay I bet oh I wish right

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but when she died she bequeathed it to

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my grandmother my grandmother didn't

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want it so she gave it to the morris

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museum and I've never been able to see

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it since then but but so I have like

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this weird kind of family history it was

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like destined to be in this field you

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know well I I do think that gives you

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special certainly gives you special

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privileges I would I would say now how

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old were you when they when you had this

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ghostly experience 14 oh okay well you

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were up you weren't uh yeah when I had

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my experiences I was under the word six

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or seven or five or something like that

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so you can't say there was just a

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childhood you know imagination now did

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you tell outside of your parents did you

375
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tell any of your friends about this I

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mean it's not no I don't think it those

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days it was kind of socially a word it

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was because even yes it you know as a

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background you have to understand I was

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very very strict Catholic so that's why

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my mother was like don't keep doing that

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that's devil's work and I'm like well

383
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I'm just having fun just saying Mabel

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Mabel set the table she's like no don't

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do that you know and I you know and then

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part of my Catholic upbringing would

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kick in as well and I'd get nervous and

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I'm like so I knew I didn't want to say

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anything outside of the home because a I

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was new kid in school we had just

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transferred up so already I was off to a

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bad start in that I had always gone to

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Catholic school now I'm being thrust

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into this public school setting and

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having to figure out what to wear every

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day instead of a you

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port oh I certainly was going to be on

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top of all that oh and by the way our

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house is haunted you know what what was

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the actual actually the first case that

401
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you investigated in New Jersey actually

402
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it was at a university in Madison it was

403
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some fairleigh dickenson university was

404
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the what do you call those were the kids

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of a dormitory and these kids in a

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dormitory had been fiddling with a Ouija

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board and brought something in and it

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was weird because whatever this thing

409
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was it could manifest visually to one

410
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girl specifically and auditorily to

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another girl and yet it was manifesting

412
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to the point where the girls had moved

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all their mattresses into one room to

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stay together they had a buddy system to

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go to the bathroom together nobody would

416
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go there by themselves and to show you

417
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how frightening it was all their

418
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boyfriends would not spend the night

419
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well I bet her I would I I would have

420
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:07,320
taken the ghosts on nobody no point no

421
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problem there well now what was the

422
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outside what was the outcome of the

423
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investigation I mean could you actually

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prove that there was a ghost or was it

425
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the the girl's imagination running a

426
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little wild after maybe too much tequila

427
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um you know at first glance you would

428
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think something like that but we went

429
00:20:32,690 --> 00:20:29,730
and we investigated and I'll never

430
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forget it my my then-husband was down in

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the living room area the common area of

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this one particular dorm setting that we

433
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were in and he was doing some more

434
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filming and I said you know what I

435
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there's a lot to get here and I was

436
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having some battery issues that with the

437
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recorder so I said you know it's a good

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thing on the secretary and I can do

439
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shorthand I'm just going to go down the

440
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hall and sit on the floor and start

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transcribed you know writing ups on my

442
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notes at while it's fresh in my head but

443
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in shorthand in case my recording did

444
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totally crap out I at least wanted some

445
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notes there and then on the spot so I

446
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went down the hallway and I'm sitting on

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the floor and I'm writing up notes and

448
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things that I'm taking you know

449
00:21:21,140 --> 00:21:17,900
everything that happened thus far and

450
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all of a sudden I just stopped writing

451
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and I looked up and I don't know why but

452
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I could sense that something was coming

453
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towards me and it was so strong that I

454
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was 2 pair I was terrified to even turn

455
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my head to the left where I sensed it

456
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coming from which is really down the

457
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hallway from where they were all

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gathered and I actually had a coach

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myself I was like telling Mike over on

460
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the count of three you were getting your

461
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ass up off this floor and you were

462
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running to the living room and I was

463
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like 1 2 3 and just as I started to

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stand up all the girls in the living

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room were screaming bloody murder and by

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the time I made it into the living room

467
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they're still screaming and the rabbit

468
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was still flipping all over and they had

469
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a rabbit in a cage and I got a pet and

470
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they said that's what they notice

471
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started it that the rabbit started

472
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freaking out in the cage and my husband

473
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then husband noticed that - and then the

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one girl who could see it she saw it

475
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come out of the bathroom and head right

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down the hallway she's like my god it

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ran right through you

478
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meaning me because I was Tyson I could

479
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sense this thing coming and I said okay

480
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you've definitely got something negative

481
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here you were playing with the Ouija

482
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board you've opened a portal of some

483
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kind and I said then you have all your

484
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nice hormones running rampant in this

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place you guys you know I basically gave

486
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them a lot of instructions to do a lot

487
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of cleansing and keep get the energy is

488
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positive in there as possible well you

489
00:22:55,210 --> 00:22:52,200
know we're all we're all here for our

490
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first break and death when we come back

491
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Laura I want to ask you about one

492
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particular case and then we'll bring in

493
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Paul because it's either a similar case

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or one that he's investigating this

495
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problem will be right back in just a few

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minutes so hold on to your seat

497
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you're sitting down if you're lying down

498
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turn the light lower

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with your comments anytime the kco our

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radio are simply Luis hashtag Casey you

501
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:37,110
are even better jump in the live chat

502
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room and share your thoughts of the show

503
00:23:46,820 --> 00:23:43,620
at Casey Oh our radio calm now back to

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exploring the bizarre with two of the

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most electrifying researchers in the

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Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca Lee

507
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panting Swartz Wow you know last time I

508
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jumped in the chatroom Bigfoot got a

509
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:03,420
hold of me and I swear I

510
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I would never jump in the chat room

511
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again I would walk very odd tiptoes very

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slowly tried that hang in the corners

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unseen Laura Hoffman and Paulino our

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guest tonight and before I bring Paul in

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I did want to bring well you have so

516
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many fascinating stories here in this

517
00:24:33,020 --> 00:24:31,050
book the ghost of the Poconos and and in

518
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fact you and Paul have the same

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publisher how about that schiffer

520
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publishing yeah yeah yeah yeah and don't

521
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think they own the show or anything like

522
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that because they go back but that's

523
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:47,760
just a coincidence but it's a lavishly I

524
00:24:53,930 --> 00:24:50,930
mean it's got color photos in it and the

525
00:24:56,510 --> 00:24:53,940
graphics are very they do a great job

526
00:24:58,970 --> 00:24:56,520
graphically in their books and and you

527
00:25:01,790 --> 00:24:58,980
have how many K how many cases all these

528
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:01,800
your photographs in the back here and

529
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:04,410
how many how many stories do you tell in

530
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:05,850
here Laura

531
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:11,250
oh there's about nicely about 25 well

532
00:25:17,810 --> 00:25:15,120
now 23 chapters totally on different

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investigations and the 23rd chapter is

534
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an honorable mention chapter I just

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because I only had little bits and

536
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:24,090
pieces of things that needed to be

537
00:25:27,530 --> 00:25:25,890
mentioned that people will always say Oh

538
00:25:29,210 --> 00:25:27,540
have you been to Henryville house Oh

539
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:29,220
have you been to this place and so I

540
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:31,850
thought okay there those places aren't

541
00:25:37,340 --> 00:25:34,890
accessible so at least you know give

542
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:37,350
them an honourable mention but up to

543
00:25:42,020 --> 00:25:38,970
chapter 22 those are

544
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:42,030
different you know definite places I

545
00:25:49,070 --> 00:25:45,450
investigated and wrote about well I

546
00:25:55,730 --> 00:25:49,080
opened a book and there was a chapter

547
00:25:57,919 --> 00:25:55,740
that I read about the Rain Man and okay

548
00:26:03,470 --> 00:25:57,929
I find that to be an absolutely

549
00:26:05,180 --> 00:26:03,480
fascinating case and I'm wondering if

550
00:26:07,490 --> 00:26:05,190
Paul wasn't somehow involved in that I

551
00:26:11,870 --> 00:26:07,500
I've heard that we've talked about this

552
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:11,880
on the air there have been several if

553
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:17,130
not numerous cases where rain and rocks

554
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:19,200
and other objects have actually fallen

555
00:26:24,590 --> 00:26:21,690
from I was going to say from the ceiling

556
00:26:27,169 --> 00:26:24,600
but near the ceiling in homes that are

557
00:26:30,049 --> 00:26:27,179
supposed to be possessed

558
00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:30,059
so what does he tell us a little bit

559
00:26:35,659 --> 00:26:32,460
about the the Rain Man that what is that

560
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:35,669
all about it's a in intriguing title and

561
00:26:44,210 --> 00:26:40,890
an intriguing case yes he was the real

562
00:26:47,180 --> 00:26:44,220
man's name is Donald Dekker it took

563
00:26:50,090 --> 00:26:47,190
place back in February of 1983 in

564
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:50,100
Stroudsburg he has only about me me 25

565
00:26:55,820 --> 00:26:53,730
minutes from where I live and what

566
00:26:58,430 --> 00:26:55,830
happened was this this young man I think

567
00:27:00,440 --> 00:26:58,440
he was maybe 21 22 at the time he was

568
00:27:03,380 --> 00:27:00,450
incarcerated in the Monroe County Jail

569
00:27:05,810 --> 00:27:03,390
for possession of stolen goods there was

570
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:05,820
nothing nothing horrible but he was

571
00:27:10,460 --> 00:27:07,919
serving his time and his grandfather had

572
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:10,470
died so he was given the furlough for

573
00:27:16,610 --> 00:27:12,720
the weekend to attend his grandfather's

574
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,620
funeral and he in I've seen interviews

575
00:27:20,180 --> 00:27:18,000
and things of him because it's actually

576
00:27:24,350 --> 00:27:20,190
real on unsolved mysteries back in the

577
00:27:26,990 --> 00:27:24,360
90s and he disclosed that while other

578
00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:27,000
people were grieving and crying at his

579
00:27:30,740 --> 00:27:29,190
grandfather's funeral he felt a sense of

580
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:30,750
relief because it turned out his

581
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:32,610
grandfather had been physically abusive

582
00:27:37,220 --> 00:27:35,370
to him when he was younger so he was

583
00:27:38,570 --> 00:27:37,230
kind of happy that the guy was Ted and

584
00:27:41,899 --> 00:27:38,580
wouldn't be able to bother him anymore

585
00:27:43,940 --> 00:27:41,909
but long story short his family didn't

586
00:27:45,649 --> 00:27:43,950
want him after the funeral to go back to

587
00:27:48,770 --> 00:27:45,659
their house so he stayed with a friend

588
00:27:51,139 --> 00:27:48,780
of the family and I think that was the

589
00:27:52,820 --> 00:27:51,149
keepers and he went to their house and

590
00:27:54,740 --> 00:27:52,830
stayed there and

591
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:54,750
that's when all this stuff started he

592
00:27:59,720 --> 00:27:57,330
went upstairs to wash up to get ready

593
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,730
for dinner and he was in the bathroom

594
00:28:03,380 --> 00:28:01,200
and he noticed that the temperature

595
00:28:05,509 --> 00:28:03,390
dropped it got very cold and all of a

596
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:05,519
sudden he just kind of collapsed to the

597
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:08,010
floor and he said he looked out the

598
00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:10,559
window and there was this almost like a

599
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:13,710
devil's old man face a very demonic old

600
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:16,529
man face wearing a crown and the

601
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:18,690
sinister smile staring at him through

602
00:28:23,779 --> 00:28:20,399
the window and then he felt this burning

603
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,789
sensation on his one forearm and when he

604
00:28:29,090 --> 00:28:25,440
looked at his arm he actually had three

605
00:28:31,460 --> 00:28:29,100
scratches and he was able to finally get

606
00:28:34,970 --> 00:28:31,470
up and get to the sink and he rinsed his

607
00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:34,980
arm and tried to hide the scratches by

608
00:28:40,129 --> 00:28:37,110
pulling a sleeve down and he made it

609
00:28:42,139 --> 00:28:40,139
downstairs to dinner and once he got

610
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:42,149
down to dinner and they were eating when

611
00:28:46,299 --> 00:28:44,010
he reached I think for a glass or the

612
00:28:50,930 --> 00:28:46,309
salt or something that's when the

613
00:28:52,580 --> 00:28:50,940
homeowner saw his arm and said wow what

614
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:52,590
did you do to yourself and Donnie was

615
00:28:57,740 --> 00:28:54,330
like I didn't do it something happened

616
00:28:59,659 --> 00:28:57,750
up in the bathroom and you know they

617
00:29:02,379 --> 00:28:59,669
they kind of about what what's going on

618
00:29:05,090 --> 00:29:02,389
with that but long story short they

619
00:29:07,490 --> 00:29:05,100
after dinner retired to the living room

620
00:29:09,620 --> 00:29:07,500
and they noticed that there was starting

621
00:29:12,379 --> 00:29:09,630
to get cold and that's when the wife

622
00:29:14,779 --> 00:29:12,389
noticed that there was something running

623
00:29:17,570 --> 00:29:14,789
down the wall and she got up to look at

624
00:29:19,070 --> 00:29:17,580
it and she called her husband over and

625
00:29:22,009 --> 00:29:19,080
she's like do we have a plumbing problem

626
00:29:24,139 --> 00:29:22,019
and next thing you know it's getting

627
00:29:26,990 --> 00:29:24,149
even more there's more water coming down

628
00:29:30,049 --> 00:29:27,000
the wall when the husband touched it and

629
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:30,059
he said it had like a very tacky sticky

630
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:34,399
feel to it it wasn't really watery but

631
00:29:41,210 --> 00:29:36,809
I'm just trying to find this one thing

632
00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:41,220
there with me so he he decided to call

633
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:43,500
his landlord the fan wise and they came

634
00:29:49,610 --> 00:29:47,330
over and now it's like really pouring

635
00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:49,620
and they kind of noticed Donnie is

636
00:29:53,690 --> 00:29:51,809
flipped into this trance-like state and

637
00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:53,700
this water is falling from the ceiling

638
00:30:01,159 --> 00:29:56,940
all in the living room so now Mike was

639
00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:01,169
like was it clear like sink water or yes

640
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:04,049
yes it was definitely it looked clear

641
00:30:10,660 --> 00:30:06,650
but he said it had a tacky feel to it

642
00:30:12,910 --> 00:30:10,670
and but it wasn't actually like raining

643
00:30:14,250 --> 00:30:12,920
in the room it was like flowing down the

644
00:30:18,250 --> 00:30:14,260
wall like a waterfall

645
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:18,260
it was raining in yeah it was feigning

646
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:21,290
so that that's where it got really bad

647
00:30:24,850 --> 00:30:23,120
that's lame he wanted his landlord to

648
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:24,860
come over to see this because he's like

649
00:30:30,190 --> 00:30:26,330
I didn't do anything I didn't you know

650
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:30,200
so the landlord then why and Kiefer they

651
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:32,210
went up into the bathroom to see what

652
00:30:36,850 --> 00:30:33,770
had happened because that's where Donnie

653
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:36,860
had his experience and they couldn't

654
00:30:41,650 --> 00:30:39,200
find any kind of leak or anything and

655
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:41,660
they came down and it was just getting

656
00:30:47,140 --> 00:30:44,000
so profuse that not only would it fall

657
00:30:49,419 --> 00:30:47,150
from the ceiling it was rising up from

658
00:30:52,090 --> 00:30:49,429
the floor it was shooting horizontally

659
00:30:53,740 --> 00:30:52,100
it was just all over what Paulie those

660
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:53,750
are pokey those are known for their

661
00:30:59,710 --> 00:30:57,440
water parts yeah exactly

662
00:31:01,299 --> 00:30:59,720
they called the police the police came

663
00:31:02,350 --> 00:31:01,309
and at first the police didn't want to

664
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:02,360
come out they're like we don't handle

665
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:04,130
plumbing issues and like no you've got

666
00:31:06,910 --> 00:31:04,910
to see this

667
00:31:08,890 --> 00:31:06,920
and they witnessed it but the chief of

668
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:08,900
police told the policeman to just leave

669
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:10,490
the scene there's nothing we can do

670
00:31:16,570 --> 00:31:12,410
about it don't even file a report and

671
00:31:18,730 --> 00:31:16,580
the one officer I forget his name but he

672
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:18,740
felt bad about it so he went back and

673
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:21,050
that's when he's years later he's even

674
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:25,130
in interview saying how he was getting

675
00:31:32,380 --> 00:31:27,440
pelted right in the face with the rain

676
00:31:36,010 --> 00:31:32,390
and hang on one sec just trying to find

677
00:31:37,660 --> 00:31:36,020
this and but he was getting pelted in

678
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:37,670
the face with the rain and he had

679
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:39,679
glasses on and he that's what he said it

680
00:31:44,890 --> 00:31:43,730
left like a weird residue they didn't

681
00:31:49,390 --> 00:31:44,900
know what to make of it and I know at

682
00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:49,400
one point the one yaki for mrs. keeper

683
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:52,910
she took Donnie out of the house and it

684
00:31:57,970 --> 00:31:54,710
stopped raining she took him around the

685
00:32:01,210 --> 00:31:57,980
corner to a pizza parlor and it started

686
00:32:04,060 --> 00:32:01,220
to rain in the pizza parlor and hos idli

687
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:04,070
the pizza parlor owner had she was very

688
00:32:09,910 --> 00:32:06,410
like I don't know religious but she kept

689
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:09,920
a rosary in her cash register drawer she

690
00:32:13,870 --> 00:32:12,110
took that out and she went and put it on

691
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:13,880
Donnie's forehead and he like screams

692
00:32:19,540 --> 00:32:15,679
had burned them and she's like dead well

693
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:19,550
I would I would have smacked the hell

694
00:32:22,670 --> 00:32:20,370
out of her I

695
00:32:25,580 --> 00:32:22,680
I swear if I were a dream an Oracle boy

696
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,590
I you know well you know uh let me bring

697
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:27,600
Paul in here because we haven't heard

698
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,240
from him this evening and he is waiting

699
00:32:35,510 --> 00:32:32,880
in the West Wing

700
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:35,520
Paul we have heard we have heard of

701
00:32:43,670 --> 00:32:39,450
other cases of water fall in the water

702
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,680
falling inside homes right oh yes yes

703
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:45,600
one in Vermont particularly is mentioned

704
00:32:51,049 --> 00:32:48,690
by Joe sitt row in one of his books but

705
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:51,059
I've rented two of them myself one of

706
00:32:56,900 --> 00:32:53,130
which was quite dramatic but the most

707
00:32:59,600 --> 00:32:56,910
recent one was in 2000 in Abington

708
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,610
Connecticut with a public library as far

709
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:01,200
as I know this may still be going on

710
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:03,679
yeah little country towns are small and

711
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,090
they they got in touch with me and I

712
00:33:12,830 --> 00:33:08,640
said we just don't understand what this

713
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:12,840
is and they'd read by 1998 book faces of

714
00:33:16,910 --> 00:33:14,610
the window and I was well which was took

715
00:33:18,980 --> 00:33:16,920
place in the same area one of the major

716
00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:18,990
cases and they were saying that there

717
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:20,340
well at this this whole business about

718
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:22,170
the parallel world and also you know

719
00:33:26,390 --> 00:33:24,240
that this could very well maybe explain

720
00:33:27,950 --> 00:33:26,400
this and so I went over and this is

721
00:33:30,110 --> 00:33:27,960
before I was working with Ben because he

722
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:30,120
you know he would he was very small at

723
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:32,850
the time but I was starting to wonder do

724
00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:37,050
blood relatives have similar for lack of

725
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:39,240
a better term psychic reactions to the

726
00:33:42,770 --> 00:33:41,490
same stimuli you know in places where

727
00:33:45,290 --> 00:33:42,780
there were things like this are going on

728
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:45,300
and this I took I didn't have been so I

729
00:33:50,750 --> 00:33:48,960
took my cousin stuck with me and we went

730
00:33:53,510 --> 00:33:50,760
in and he had had some carpentry

731
00:33:54,980 --> 00:33:53,520
experience because the water was a bit

732
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:54,990
the place wasn't wasn't flooding or

733
00:34:00,169 --> 00:33:57,570
anything but the steps down into the

734
00:34:02,890 --> 00:34:00,179
basement which was in a very old and

735
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:02,900
stonewall rural dirt floor kind of thing

736
00:34:09,050 --> 00:34:07,440
we're literally seeping water and this

737
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:09,060
had been going on for several years and

738
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:12,210
the steps never rotted it was as though

739
00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:13,649
they weren't being touched by water and

740
00:34:18,619 --> 00:34:17,220
my cousin his name is Marshall went down

741
00:34:20,419 --> 00:34:18,629
they said he did we just we looked

742
00:34:21,740 --> 00:34:20,429
everywhere we couldn't find any place

743
00:34:24,110 --> 00:34:21,750
where there could be any leakage there

744
00:34:26,899 --> 00:34:24,120
was no plumbing no pipes near the stairs

745
00:34:30,590 --> 00:34:26,909
and it was just very very interesting

746
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:30,600
and strange and it took a sample of the

747
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:32,399
water had a test that there was nothing

748
00:34:37,050 --> 00:34:34,210
particularly unusual

749
00:34:39,359 --> 00:34:37,060
that it had the same characteristics as

750
00:34:41,879 --> 00:34:39,369
the well water did in from the building

751
00:34:44,460 --> 00:34:41,889
but what was really strange was that

752
00:34:47,700 --> 00:34:44,470
that was it was materializing seemingly

753
00:34:51,060 --> 00:34:47,710
from nowhere and there was no no no rot

754
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:51,070
I'm on the steps even after uh several

755
00:34:56,579 --> 00:34:53,530
years so no check and no change in the

756
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:56,589
water bill no no was they got a well

757
00:35:03,000 --> 00:34:58,960
sort of oh well well what any oil yeah

758
00:35:05,310 --> 00:35:03,010
so well well but the other the other

759
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:05,320
case was a little bit different that was

760
00:35:14,010 --> 00:35:10,450
1976 in Montreal Quebec and we were I

761
00:35:18,180 --> 00:35:14,020
was kind of friend of mine from the

762
00:35:20,099 --> 00:35:18,190
Canadian military happened to know this

763
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:20,109
family and said they knew I was involved

764
00:35:24,660 --> 00:35:21,970
in this kind of research I was in the

765
00:35:26,130 --> 00:35:24,670
seminary at the time and off we went

766
00:35:27,570 --> 00:35:26,140
and they were having there something

767
00:35:29,940 --> 00:35:27,580
very similar to what Laura describes

768
00:35:31,050 --> 00:35:29,950
only it was in two rooms in two

769
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:31,060
different parts of the house on the

770
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:33,310
second floor one of the bedrooms and

771
00:35:38,490 --> 00:35:36,640
then on the ground floor the living room

772
00:35:40,620 --> 00:35:38,500
which as I say word to opposite ends of

773
00:35:43,290 --> 00:35:40,630
the house all the other rooms just fine

774
00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:43,300
bathrooms fine nothing else and what was

775
00:35:47,150 --> 00:35:44,710
really odd about this case we had the

776
00:35:51,329 --> 00:35:47,160
water tested it was distilled water

777
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,339
which is very odd and you know you have

778
00:35:56,339 --> 00:35:53,200
to go buy that stuff and we decide

779
00:35:58,829 --> 00:35:56,349
oh he's easy to find so there was that

780
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:58,839
and then it turned out and we started to

781
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:01,119
do a little digging and had I know and

782
00:36:04,740 --> 00:36:02,410
then what I think I know now I would

783
00:36:06,420 --> 00:36:04,750
have looked it up around the whole area

784
00:36:09,630 --> 00:36:06,430
you know was there an increase of UFO

785
00:36:12,420 --> 00:36:09,640
sightings were there other people in the

786
00:36:14,730 --> 00:36:12,430
neighborhood were having a ghostly type

787
00:36:16,770 --> 00:36:14,740
of problems poltergeist is good because

788
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:16,780
we find at least in our opinion all

789
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:18,609
these things are connected but didn't do

790
00:36:22,770 --> 00:36:20,410
that at the time and the water thing I

791
00:36:25,260 --> 00:36:22,780
to the best of my ability at the time I

792
00:36:30,030 --> 00:36:25,270
traced it down today they had rather a

793
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:30,040
nasty teenage son very isolated and it

794
00:36:33,420 --> 00:36:32,050
turns out he was he was doing the Legion

795
00:36:36,030 --> 00:36:33,430
board thing and although although

796
00:36:41,220 --> 00:36:36,040
usually as a Laura might agree I don't

797
00:36:43,770 --> 00:36:41,230
usually see such an aquatic result from

798
00:36:46,620 --> 00:36:43,780
from the Ouija board use which in our

799
00:36:50,339 --> 00:36:46,630
opinion is sort of a sledgehammer way of

800
00:36:53,010 --> 00:36:50,349
knocking through what a physicist might

801
00:36:54,690 --> 00:36:53,020
call the brains BR NES of parallel

802
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:54,700
worlds most of which are just as

803
00:37:01,530 --> 00:36:57,760
physical as ours and that leads critters

804
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:01,540
coming through but what we had at the

805
00:37:04,859 --> 00:37:03,609
time very very seat-of-the-pants they

806
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:04,869
didn't have any equipment like we had

807
00:37:08,730 --> 00:37:07,119
today most of which I don't trust anyway

808
00:37:12,180 --> 00:37:08,740
we had the tape recorders and cameras

809
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:12,190
and notebooks about it but what we got

810
00:37:16,859 --> 00:37:15,010
rid of the Ouija board and as I

811
00:37:19,230 --> 00:37:16,869
understand other things happen later but

812
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:19,240
I was out of reach but the water thing

813
00:37:25,290 --> 00:37:21,910
did stop after we burned the Ouija board

814
00:37:27,180 --> 00:37:25,300
rather melodramatic thing but that

815
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:27,190
that's what seemed to happen and then

816
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:29,200
later on there was suppose there's a

817
00:37:32,970 --> 00:37:30,880
poltergeist stuff but I was tied up tall

818
00:37:36,690 --> 00:37:32,980
so I couldn't get back there but that

819
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:36,700
those are my two main water cases know

820
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:39,130
what okay what do you what do you figure

821
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:41,290
well Laura to you you're welcome to

822
00:37:46,290 --> 00:37:44,320
chime in here if you have a question for

823
00:37:48,349 --> 00:37:46,300
Paul they were we're all seated around

824
00:37:51,420 --> 00:37:48,359
the same a haunted living room here so

825
00:37:55,770 --> 00:37:51,430
if you have anything they ask but by all

826
00:37:57,839 --> 00:37:55,780
means shoot from the hip oh thanks yeah

827
00:38:00,599 --> 00:37:57,849
that's that's fascinating that it was

828
00:38:02,430 --> 00:38:00,609
distilled water I was you know I wasn't

829
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:02,440
on the site when this this whole case

830
00:38:06,810 --> 00:38:04,810
happened in Stroudsburg but I definitely

831
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:06,820
would have collected a sample just to

832
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:08,560
have it tested you know I don't know why

833
00:38:13,470 --> 00:38:10,570
nobody did that but I think they were

834
00:38:17,490 --> 00:38:13,480
also terrified as to what was happening

835
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:17,500
and then to see Donnie like actually get

836
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:19,930
attacked and flown you know thrown

837
00:38:24,420 --> 00:38:21,970
across the room and into a corner and

838
00:38:26,250 --> 00:38:24,430
find them later that night and by the

839
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:26,260
time he got back to the prison he was

840
00:38:30,510 --> 00:38:27,970
starting to feel like he could control

841
00:38:32,609 --> 00:38:30,520
it which was weird and some of the

842
00:38:34,170 --> 00:38:32,619
guards kind of egged him on that you

843
00:38:36,089 --> 00:38:34,180
know hey why didn't she hit the warden

844
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:36,099
with some water and the warden's office

845
00:38:41,660 --> 00:38:38,320
was on the opposite end of the jail from

846
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:41,670
where his cell was and he ended up

847
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:44,170
concentrating he said and a big splash

848
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:46,000
of water just came out of nowhere and

849
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:48,160
soaked the wardens shirt and that's when

850
00:38:52,859 --> 00:38:50,530
he ended up calling them the Reverend

851
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:52,869
Blackburn and they did an exorcism for

852
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:55,599
Donnie and and it was it was interesting

853
00:39:00,590 --> 00:38:58,330
the smell that he was overcome with and

854
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:00,600
when I was researching it and

855
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:02,850
know it you know Paul you might have

856
00:39:07,940 --> 00:39:05,520
something to contribute err add to this

857
00:39:12,170 --> 00:39:07,950
case because what I was researching led

858
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:12,180
me to Asmodeus this triple headed demon

859
00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:14,880
in the one head that he has is that of

860
00:39:19,550 --> 00:39:17,640
an ogre wearing a crown and he's known

861
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:19,560
to like you know really disrupt

862
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:23,370
marriages or family settings and he

863
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,720
might have been something that was

864
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:26,880
almost possessing the grandfather to

865
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:28,710
abuse Donnie when the grandfather was

866
00:39:33,110 --> 00:39:30,450
alive and now that the grandfather was

867
00:39:34,810 --> 00:39:33,120
dead he showed up and started abusing

868
00:39:39,220 --> 00:39:34,820
Donald and causing all these problems

869
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:39,230
and in the case with Osmo Diaz he was

870
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:44,160
gotten exorcised by this angelic recipe

871
00:39:51,350 --> 00:39:48,000
of a fish heart and liver that was a

872
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:51,360
certain fish that Tobias had caught and

873
00:39:58,580 --> 00:39:55,170
the angel Raphael was disguised as as

874
00:40:00,860 --> 00:39:58,590
arias and he that he told Tobias make

875
00:40:02,810 --> 00:40:00,870
sure he saved the heart and liver and on

876
00:40:04,820 --> 00:40:02,820
your wedding night you'll burn them and

877
00:40:05,530 --> 00:40:04,830
it made this putrid smell which drove

878
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:05,540
away

879
00:40:11,780 --> 00:40:09,330
Asmodeus and you know Tobias was able to

880
00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:11,790
marry Sarah and have their wedding night

881
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:13,740
and staying what it Blizz blah blah blah

882
00:40:19,370 --> 00:40:16,530
it's good well that's a that's a scene

883
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:19,380
see all this you know that's a scene

884
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,170
right out of the horror movie pinhead or

885
00:40:26,210 --> 00:40:24,720
something I get it like I could I can

886
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:26,220
imagine that I can imagine that

887
00:40:33,950 --> 00:40:29,850
dramatized whatever that would be that'd

888
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:33,960
be quite a story in and a half but okay

889
00:40:38,750 --> 00:40:35,970
well now we have this wood water

890
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:38,760
distilled water regular water and we

891
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:40,290
have other things that have you know

892
00:40:45,950 --> 00:40:42,530
what I poured it themselves and two

893
00:40:48,830 --> 00:40:45,960
haunted and we talked about physical

894
00:40:51,730 --> 00:40:48,840
evidence appalled and has there ever

895
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:51,740
been a case where something has been

896
00:40:59,570 --> 00:40:54,770
appeared or materialized in a

897
00:41:01,700 --> 00:40:59,580
poltergeist case or haunting that would

898
00:41:03,380 --> 00:41:01,710
not be like manufactured here I mean

899
00:41:07,130 --> 00:41:03,390
it's kind of like looking for a

900
00:41:09,980 --> 00:41:07,140
ufo-related artifact and usually you

901
00:41:12,260 --> 00:41:09,990
know there's nothing fancy about the the

902
00:41:14,330 --> 00:41:12,270
artifact I mean it could just as easily

903
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:14,340
be made right here on

904
00:41:18,830 --> 00:41:17,130
if it wasn't well stiphu company where

905
00:41:20,660 --> 00:41:18,840
things come from however it's very

906
00:41:23,540 --> 00:41:20,670
common at least of our experience to our

907
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:23,550
things come and go I have a coin from a

908
00:41:27,860 --> 00:41:24,930
country that doesn't exist that never

909
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:27,870
existed and it comes and goes it's been

910
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:30,480
in my family since the 1940s at least

911
00:41:35,210 --> 00:41:33,210
and what does this say on the coin it's

912
00:41:37,250 --> 00:41:35,220
it's written in English and it has to do

913
00:41:39,380 --> 00:41:37,260
with the Helvetic Federation now how

914
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:39,390
they see eyes was the Latin name for

915
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:41,850
what's about Switzerland and there was

916
00:41:45,590 --> 00:41:44,160
there was a Swiss Federation it's kind

917
00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:45,600
of thing but nothing that looked like

918
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:47,910
this that I've ever been able to find at

919
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:49,200
the moment it's been gone for several

920
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:51,090
years I'm just hoping it's going to come

921
00:41:57,530 --> 00:41:54,690
back but this seems to be the nature of

922
00:42:00,740 --> 00:41:57,540
what we refer to as as intersect points

923
00:42:02,210 --> 00:42:00,750
you know that the classic term is portal

924
00:42:05,570 --> 00:42:02,220
areas of London if that quake doesn't

925
00:42:07,370 --> 00:42:05,580
but the thing is you know when you're

926
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:07,380
concentrating on not getting hit by a

927
00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:09,930
chair or you have just had a gash put in

928
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:11,940
your leg by a flying television set or

929
00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:14,730
you're involved in an exorcism as in the

930
00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:17,310
system as I was 10 different occasions

931
00:42:23,450 --> 00:42:19,110
something I hope I never have to do

932
00:42:24,770 --> 00:42:23,460
again it you're distracted and many of

933
00:42:27,770 --> 00:42:24,780
the things that may be coming and going

934
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:27,780
you only find later on we believe this

935
00:42:32,780 --> 00:42:30,960
is the normal state of the world it's

936
00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:32,790
like the paranormal really is no such

937
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:33,960
thing it's quite normal

938
00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:37,050
we often use the occasion of them you

939
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:38,940
came in how many times have you can then

940
00:42:45,170 --> 00:42:41,850
put you say your car keys on the kitchen

941
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:45,180
table it turned around and they're gone

942
00:42:48,290 --> 00:42:47,040
or the other end of the table and then

943
00:42:50,510 --> 00:42:48,300
you don't pay much attention to is

944
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:50,520
that's one of those things but then when

945
00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:52,170
something starts playing frisbee with

946
00:42:55,700 --> 00:42:53,940
your fine china whether you got it at

947
00:42:58,700 --> 00:42:55,710
the theater or not we're back when we

948
00:43:00,530 --> 00:42:58,710
were kids to bet then that's when you

949
00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:00,540
pay attention there were only certainly

950
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:02,910
certain things we can absorb and we find

951
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:04,410
that in cases there are all sorts of

952
00:43:09,590 --> 00:43:06,450
things going on that we don't

953
00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:09,600
necessarily notice because what we do

954
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:13,260
notice in our opinion is almost never

955
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:15,570
what it appears to be nothing in the

956
00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:17,130
paranormal is what it appears to be in

957
00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:19,110
our experience anyway and we could be

958
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:22,140
wrong but I mean to put there very

959
00:43:26,780 --> 00:43:24,330
narrow paradigm by which we understand

960
00:43:28,220 --> 00:43:26,790
things we humans you know and we put

961
00:43:29,420 --> 00:43:28,230
labels on them accorded the thing

962
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:29,430
that we understand that in other words

963
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:31,770
we take the folklore seriously it really

964
00:43:37,790 --> 00:43:35,970
is Asmodeus say you know and yeah it can

965
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:37,800
look to you like that it can act like it

966
00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:39,450
but the folklore came from somewhere and

967
00:43:45,890 --> 00:43:42,900
it's probably a much much deeper reality

968
00:43:49,310 --> 00:43:45,900
than something that we can even grasp so

969
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:49,320
it's it's a very it's fraught with peril

970
00:43:54,260 --> 00:43:51,810
it's full of traps and you really have

971
00:43:57,380 --> 00:43:54,270
to be really should stay away from it

972
00:44:00,980 --> 00:43:57,390
well we've got we've got our coming up

973
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:00,990
on our halfway a mark here and we'll be

974
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:03,359
back in just a few minutes with the law

975
00:44:12,380 --> 00:44:07,609
Hoffman Paul you know and possibly even

976
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:12,390
pinhead might just stop in for a chat ax

977
00:44:17,740 --> 00:44:14,850
in fact I see some of his pins on the

978
00:44:21,730 --> 00:44:17,750
floor right now and you're listening to

979
00:44:26,090 --> 00:44:21,740
this greatest program on the airwaves

980
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:26,100
the fabulous exploring of numbers are on

981
00:44:35,930 --> 00:44:40,269
[Music]

982
00:44:47,230 --> 00:44:45,529
explode bizarre or e-ticket ride is the

983
00:44:50,509 --> 00:44:47,240
world of the paranoid

984
00:44:54,579 --> 00:44:50,519
strap yourself in as we traverse the

985
00:44:57,940 --> 00:44:54,589
universe exploring the unexplained UFO

986
00:45:00,319 --> 00:44:57,950
ghost lost world

987
00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:00,329
cryptozoology as well as other

988
00:45:06,430 --> 00:45:04,200
dimensions it's time to take back the

989
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:06,440
night last night

990
00:45:13,279 --> 00:45:10,079
now your electrifying hosts of exploring

991
00:45:17,390 --> 00:45:13,289
the bizarre Timothy Begley and King

992
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:17,400
swords put it next to that Tim Schwartz

993
00:45:24,109 --> 00:45:20,970
name this week he's not here and I'm

994
00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:24,119
here by my lonesome well not really

995
00:45:31,779 --> 00:45:26,609
because I've got Paul you know who's a

996
00:45:36,829 --> 00:45:31,789
guest and co-host and I've got Laura

997
00:45:39,890 --> 00:45:36,839
Laura Hoffman and boy it's been a you

998
00:45:43,849 --> 00:45:39,900
key experience so far this evening and

999
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:43,859
and I'm just I'm just loving it I tell

1000
00:45:49,789 --> 00:45:45,210
you you know there's nothing better than

1001
00:45:51,019 --> 00:45:49,799
a a well a tote old ghost story of

1002
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:51,029
course there's nothing worse than a

1003
00:45:58,579 --> 00:45:54,720
poorly told ghost story but we've got to

1004
00:46:03,289 --> 00:45:58,589
a great guest on this evening and you

1005
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:03,299
know I Laura I'm one of them okay ask

1006
00:46:12,229 --> 00:46:07,440
you here the lore of the Pennsylvania

1007
00:46:15,019 --> 00:46:12,239
Dutch now there are quite a few legends

1008
00:46:19,579 --> 00:46:15,029
and stories and superstitions now that

1009
00:46:21,710 --> 00:46:19,589
in this part of the Pennsylvania that go

1010
00:46:23,930 --> 00:46:21,720
back hundreds of years now am I correct

1011
00:46:26,539 --> 00:46:23,940
in saying that this is the area where

1012
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:26,549
people actually puts the hex signs up on

1013
00:46:34,099 --> 00:46:30,450
their barns yes yes so part of the

1014
00:46:36,380 --> 00:46:34,109
hexcraft it's um with the there's

1015
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:36,390
different signs and symbols and meanings

1016
00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:38,970
to all the colors of the hexagons but

1017
00:46:44,569 --> 00:46:41,460
they do summers specifically for

1018
00:46:46,910 --> 00:46:44,579
happiness and prosperity and there's

1019
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:46,920
different ones and of course just to

1020
00:46:53,630 --> 00:46:49,529
keep the negative and evil spirits away

1021
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:53,640
in fact we did a series of book

1022
00:47:00,859 --> 00:46:56,400
and one of them is called the book of

1023
00:47:04,059 --> 00:47:00,869
powwows which is uh yeah yeah in fact we

1024
00:47:06,380 --> 00:47:04,069
have three books on Pennsylvania Dutch

1025
00:47:07,819 --> 00:47:06,390
well two of them actually the other one

1026
00:47:10,490 --> 00:47:07,829
happens to be about the Caribbean I

1027
00:47:13,519 --> 00:47:10,500
don't know somehow it's got mixed in

1028
00:47:17,299 --> 00:47:13,529
there there that together but so it does

1029
00:47:22,339 --> 00:47:17,309
the stories do go back I mean for the

1030
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:22,349
century or or longer what what are some

1031
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:24,210
of the superstitions and lures and

1032
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:27,569
stories that have been told well the one

1033
00:47:31,460 --> 00:47:29,760
I I mentioned in the book that I thought

1034
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:31,470
was interesting does it remind me of

1035
00:47:37,279 --> 00:47:33,839
where I'm from the Jersey Devil is the

1036
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,289
Suey Yeager and Yeager comes from yaghan

1037
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:39,839
and German to hunt and basically the

1038
00:47:46,220 --> 00:47:42,480
Suey Jaeger was a huntsman but was

1039
00:47:49,279 --> 00:47:46,230
actually a thought-form that ended up

1040
00:47:52,099 --> 00:47:49,289
taking on the role of a death spirit it

1041
00:47:55,730 --> 00:47:52,109
was created by a Dutch mother whose

1042
00:47:59,539 --> 00:47:55,740
entire family had been wiped out by an

1043
00:48:03,079 --> 00:47:59,549
Indian tribe attack and she was so

1044
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:03,089
distraught and enraged that her hexcraft

1045
00:48:07,970 --> 00:48:06,000
that she used to create something choose

1046
00:48:09,650 --> 00:48:07,980
basically just wanting to get revenge on

1047
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:09,660
this tribe for what they did to her

1048
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:12,559
family but she was so distraught she

1049
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:15,569
supercharged it and it became this death

1050
00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:19,170
spirit where in times of peace it would

1051
00:48:25,549 --> 00:48:22,200
hover or be around on the near the

1052
00:48:28,220 --> 00:48:25,559
rooftop of a Dutch family and if you

1053
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:28,230
spotted the Suey ager on the roof of

1054
00:48:32,990 --> 00:48:29,970
someone's home within a week's time

1055
00:48:34,819 --> 00:48:33,000
somebody in that house was dead now can

1056
00:48:38,329 --> 00:48:34,829
you just quit can you describe it a

1057
00:48:40,249 --> 00:48:38,339
little bit better a more detail I wish I

1058
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:40,259
could have found a picture what I had to

1059
00:48:45,259 --> 00:48:42,890
do for actually from my presentation I

1060
00:48:47,930 --> 00:48:45,269
incorporated I just photoshopped

1061
00:48:49,999 --> 00:48:47,940
together various things based on its

1062
00:48:52,430 --> 00:48:50,009
description it that's him in the

1063
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:52,440
background yes I hear into the

1064
00:48:57,740 --> 00:48:55,200
background yeah now I apologize that dog

1065
00:48:59,660 --> 00:48:57,750
goes yeah the animals are well animals

1066
00:49:00,740 --> 00:48:59,670
are welcome on this show I'll tell you

1067
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:00,750
that you

1068
00:49:06,650 --> 00:49:04,559
we have benefits of any tetanus I'm

1069
00:49:07,579 --> 00:49:06,660
sorry what I said we have many pet

1070
00:49:09,739 --> 00:49:07,589
lovers among our

1071
00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:09,749
that we probably have probably have more

1072
00:49:14,089 --> 00:49:12,420
pets than we do Eldo go ahead go ahead I

1073
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:14,099
don't let me interrupt her there

1074
00:49:19,849 --> 00:49:17,729
well the sue ager has a human shape

1075
00:49:23,229 --> 00:49:19,859
except for the two wings that come out

1076
00:49:26,329 --> 00:49:23,239
of its back he's known to wear clothing

1077
00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:26,339
mostly of buckskin he carries a long

1078
00:49:31,819 --> 00:49:29,880
flintlock rifle has red glowing eyes and

1079
00:49:34,700 --> 00:49:31,829
they said even though he has like the

1080
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:34,710
buckskin kind of top piece to his

1081
00:49:41,959 --> 00:49:37,049
clothing the bottom part was primarily

1082
00:49:45,229 --> 00:49:41,969
of Dutch influence of the time and he

1083
00:49:47,359 --> 00:49:45,239
would fly above like I said the houses

1084
00:49:49,370 --> 00:49:47,369
of the Dutch in times of peace to

1085
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:49,380
signify who and that family would die

1086
00:49:54,380 --> 00:49:52,170
and so he was more of a portent of death

1087
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:54,390
or a death spirit but in wartime and

1088
00:49:59,690 --> 00:49:56,130
this was first noticed in the

1089
00:50:02,509 --> 00:49:59,700
Revolutionary War he would help the

1090
00:50:05,329 --> 00:50:02,519
Dutch and by that he would actually

1091
00:50:08,299 --> 00:50:05,339
hover over the heads of the Hessian and

1092
00:50:11,809 --> 00:50:08,309
the British officers and here was a

1093
00:50:15,170 --> 00:50:11,819
little you know Patriot Dutchman with

1094
00:50:17,809 --> 00:50:15,180
his rifle and they said it's 400 yards

1095
00:50:20,089 --> 00:50:17,819
he could shoot his rifle not even really

1096
00:50:22,219 --> 00:50:20,099
aiming and that bullet would pierce the

1097
00:50:25,339 --> 00:50:22,229
heart of the Hessian or the British

1098
00:50:28,489 --> 00:50:25,349
officer who had the suey a Gor floating

1099
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:28,499
above his head and it was helping them

1100
00:50:34,219 --> 00:50:31,650
to take out and in this terms of battle

1101
00:50:36,349 --> 00:50:34,229
and then in the Civil War it appeared

1102
00:50:38,660 --> 00:50:36,359
again and it would hover over the

1103
00:50:40,430 --> 00:50:38,670
Confederates - who were hiding and they

1104
00:50:42,259 --> 00:50:40,440
were very well hidden - where the Union

1105
00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:42,269
soldiers wouldn't even known they were

1106
00:50:46,039 --> 00:50:44,609
there had they not seen the SU Jaeger

1107
00:50:48,859 --> 00:50:46,049
just kind of pointing like right here

1108
00:50:51,549 --> 00:50:48,869
you know and then again after the war he

1109
00:50:56,109 --> 00:50:51,559
went back into his deaf spirit mode and

1110
00:50:58,999 --> 00:50:56,119
it's neat because the way he was created

1111
00:51:01,099 --> 00:50:59,009
and I say he I don't know that just

1112
00:51:03,529 --> 00:51:01,109
heard the lack of a pronoun ourselves

1113
00:51:06,170 --> 00:51:03,539
but he was created of her being so

1114
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:06,180
distraught and that's how mother Leeds

1115
00:51:11,630 --> 00:51:09,119
was when she was staring down the throat

1116
00:51:13,309 --> 00:51:11,640
of having her 13th child and she sort of

1117
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:13,319
made that bargain with the devil and

1118
00:51:17,690 --> 00:51:15,359
being so distraught and there you have

1119
00:51:19,609 --> 00:51:17,700
the Jersey Devils well I would have made

1120
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:19,619
the bargain about the knife kid I think

1121
00:51:23,870 --> 00:51:21,440
I don't know

1122
00:51:27,110 --> 00:51:23,880
hey-up you know kind of kind of

1123
00:51:31,390 --> 00:51:27,120
reminiscent of a Spring Heeled Jack in

1124
00:51:33,740 --> 00:51:31,400
some regards that was the this British

1125
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:33,750
Phantom I guess for lack of a better

1126
00:51:45,140 --> 00:51:38,880
name who rose and hopped from rose over

1127
00:51:49,550 --> 00:51:45,150
the the rooftops and went from roof to

1128
00:51:53,540 --> 00:51:49,560
roof and scared ladies in the middle of

1129
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:53,550
the night and had glowing eyes and had a

1130
00:52:00,830 --> 00:51:57,810
strange smell about him now up Paul it

1131
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:00,840
is is this area of Pennsylvania anywhere

1132
00:52:06,190 --> 00:52:02,730
near where you've had some of your

1133
00:52:08,180 --> 00:52:06,200
experiences well actually no I think

1134
00:52:10,310 --> 00:52:08,190
northeastern Pennsylvania is beautiful

1135
00:52:12,290 --> 00:52:10,320
this is sort of West Central that we're

1136
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:12,300
working in as far as the Triangle area

1137
00:52:18,110 --> 00:52:16,410
as we call it as concerned so the answer

1138
00:52:19,790 --> 00:52:18,120
is no not really

1139
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:19,800
well let's bring it together for a

1140
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:23,370
purposes only gasps okay sure okay so

1141
00:52:30,350 --> 00:52:26,930
we've heard you tell tales here on the

1142
00:52:35,930 --> 00:52:30,360
on the show about UFO sightings and

1143
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:35,940
phantom vehicles and but cryptid and

1144
00:52:42,770 --> 00:52:41,040
creatures and cryptid creatures uh when

1145
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:42,780
is the last time that you visited this

1146
00:52:46,130 --> 00:52:44,610
locale and where exactly is it

1147
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:46,140
aurilla I mean I'm sure you don't want

1148
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:48,960
to give away the exact location but well

1149
00:52:53,630 --> 00:52:50,850
frankly I should be there right now

1150
00:52:56,570 --> 00:52:53,640
okay however it was so important for me

1151
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:56,580
to be on your no actually yeah we're

1152
00:53:03,050 --> 00:52:59,520
just we're we're just finishing wrapping

1153
00:53:04,430 --> 00:53:03,060
up the the design of our book that's

1154
00:53:07,340 --> 00:53:04,440
coming out the end of the month I hope

1155
00:53:08,780 --> 00:53:07,350
and we just didn't have the time so we

1156
00:53:11,540 --> 00:53:08,790
put it off until the end of this month

1157
00:53:13,010 --> 00:53:11,550
and I don't like to specify exactly when

1158
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:13,020
we're going to be there because there

1159
00:53:19,610 --> 00:53:16,890
are complications regarding certain

1160
00:53:21,110 --> 00:53:19,620
military involvement in these flap areas

1161
00:53:22,100 --> 00:53:21,120
that we don't like to Telegraph what

1162
00:53:23,810 --> 00:53:22,110
we're going to do when we're going to do

1163
00:53:26,270 --> 00:53:23,820
it which I believe I just did

1164
00:53:27,500 --> 00:53:26,280
but essentially yeah as we talked about

1165
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:27,510
before

1166
00:53:33,740 --> 00:53:31,170
Shane seaway our colleague and myself we

1167
00:53:34,730 --> 00:53:33,750
both had Bigfoot sightings there on two

1168
00:53:37,849 --> 00:53:34,740
different occasions

1169
00:53:40,070 --> 00:53:37,859
I coulda knocked my socks off because I

1170
00:53:41,570 --> 00:53:40,080
try to be kind of scholarly and feet on

1171
00:53:43,150 --> 00:53:41,580
the ground and the two feet I saw on the

1172
00:53:46,339 --> 00:53:43,160
ground were these huge hairy legs

1173
00:53:49,070 --> 00:53:46,349
walking up through this field and head

1174
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:49,080
bowed and almost there are shadow people

1175
00:53:54,620 --> 00:53:51,890
being seen there is there are UFOs

1176
00:53:56,300 --> 00:53:54,630
pretty much nightly we had a

1177
00:53:58,310 --> 00:53:56,310
neighborhood meeting with 20 different

1178
00:54:00,980 --> 00:53:58,320
people all of whom have had Bigfoot

1179
00:54:04,060 --> 00:54:00,990
experiences of one kind or another there

1180
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:04,070
are time slips that take place a little

1181
00:54:08,450 --> 00:54:06,810
as some some poltergeist activity that

1182
00:54:10,130 --> 00:54:08,460
we haven't tracked it down we've only

1183
00:54:11,420 --> 00:54:10,140
spent about 6 days there so far it's

1184
00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:11,430
just the beginning

1185
00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:14,609
and so we have arrived I would be

1186
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:16,200
probably shaking hands with the big guy

1187
00:54:22,010 --> 00:54:19,290
right now we're not on the shore did

1188
00:54:25,099 --> 00:54:22,020
heven well well you could bring him on

1189
00:54:26,599 --> 00:54:25,109
anytime you want no no problem how did

1190
00:54:29,660 --> 00:54:26,609
you how did you first find out about

1191
00:54:33,380 --> 00:54:29,670
this area I mean there are window areas

1192
00:54:35,470 --> 00:54:33,390
in other parts of the country John keel

1193
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:35,480
I think first came up with that

1194
00:54:40,420 --> 00:54:38,730
terminology yes that way yeah yeah what

1195
00:54:43,700 --> 00:54:40,430
we call them portals or perhaps

1196
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:43,710
entrances to another dimensions

1197
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:46,490
sometimes they're associated with these

1198
00:54:55,099 --> 00:54:51,930
stone huts why would you call stone well

1199
00:54:56,660 --> 00:54:55,109
some circles to something yes yeah how

1200
00:54:58,430 --> 00:54:56,670
did you first find out about this place

1201
00:55:01,760 --> 00:54:58,440
I mean how was it brought to your

1202
00:55:05,660 --> 00:55:01,770
attention well it was early in 2016 and

1203
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:05,670
it was William Jay halls at the time new

1204
00:55:09,770 --> 00:55:08,250
book called the haunted house Diaries

1205
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:09,780
which doesn't sound like it but it's

1206
00:55:14,089 --> 00:55:12,210
about the flap area in Central

1207
00:55:15,530 --> 00:55:14,099
Connecticut the Central Western

1208
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:15,540
Connecticut that Ben and I had been

1209
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,089
investigating since oh five because we

1210
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:20,640
spent years on cases and it was one of

1211
00:55:25,730 --> 00:55:22,410
Ben's first cases along with the haunted

1212
00:55:27,950 --> 00:55:25,740
policeman of Vermont and he got to speak

1213
00:55:29,150 --> 00:55:27,960
like doing that so the woman was reading

1214
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:29,160
about this and said gee we ought to

1215
00:55:34,820 --> 00:55:32,490
contact the Eno's and there we were in

1216
00:55:36,770 --> 00:55:34,830
Shane searly whom I don't know if you

1217
00:55:39,530 --> 00:55:36,780
know him but he well I think I spent on

1218
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:39,540
the program what was it yeah yeah yeah

1219
00:55:45,890 --> 00:55:41,730
yeah good if he hasn't been he should be

1220
00:55:47,780 --> 00:55:45,900
well yes but he's his specialty is a you

1221
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:47,790
know a much much as laura has been

1222
00:55:50,750 --> 00:55:48,330
described

1223
00:55:53,420 --> 00:55:50,760
I've been many the same sorts of things

1224
00:55:54,980 --> 00:55:53,430
as it was for me sort of my origin in

1225
00:55:57,530 --> 00:55:54,990
the field as well doing the same sorts

1226
00:55:59,450 --> 00:55:57,540
of things you know investigating homes

1227
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,460
and trying to help families this sort of

1228
00:56:02,780 --> 00:56:01,440
thing so it all mushroomed from there

1229
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:02,790
and that's how they heard about it and

1230
00:56:08,660 --> 00:56:05,570
there it was so in the very first

1231
00:56:10,450 --> 00:56:08,670
weekend we were there things were

1232
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:10,460
happening it was really quite amazing

1233
00:56:17,420 --> 00:56:13,920
and yet it brought up something that I

1234
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:17,430
wanted to ask Laura if I may do you find

1235
00:56:23,330 --> 00:56:20,370
Laura because this isn't we find that

1236
00:56:25,970 --> 00:56:23,340
it's really not necessarily places that

1237
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:25,980
are haunted so much as people because

1238
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:29,040
just as a one of the reasons is in this

1239
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:30,530
Pennsylvania case that there are areas

1240
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:33,090
where things happen in homes where

1241
00:56:37,490 --> 00:56:34,650
things happen or don't happen the kind

1242
00:56:41,150 --> 00:56:37,500
of depending on how positive the people

1243
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:41,160
are and how together they are so do you

1244
00:56:46,670 --> 00:56:42,090
went into that at all

1245
00:56:49,550 --> 00:56:46,680
I agree yeah that's where I mean I felt

1246
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:49,560
bad I had one family in particular that

1247
00:56:56,990 --> 00:56:54,240
we're having the problem of MA the one

1248
00:56:58,940 --> 00:56:57,000
girl the oldest daughter seemed to be

1249
00:57:03,560 --> 00:56:58,950
haunted but it was where they were

1250
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:03,570
living so they sold the house and they

1251
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:05,850
moved and then they got to where they

1252
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:09,210
were going and about a month went into

1253
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:10,010
it

1254
00:57:14,930 --> 00:57:12,690
we went and investigated was their

1255
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:14,940
second house they had actually had moved

1256
00:57:20,170 --> 00:57:17,010
out of it and we're staying in a hotel

1257
00:57:23,630 --> 00:57:20,180
in process trying to sell this house and

1258
00:57:27,260 --> 00:57:23,640
get to a third house and we were in the

1259
00:57:29,420 --> 00:57:27,270
second house and the homeowner came

1260
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:29,430
there just to let us in to investigate

1261
00:57:37,340 --> 00:57:32,850
there was poltergeist activity that took

1262
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:37,350
place on that investigation we're like a

1263
00:57:41,860 --> 00:57:39,210
golf ball had been thrown down the

1264
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:41,870
stairs at one of my investigators heads

1265
00:57:46,570 --> 00:57:44,130
one point we were standing in the

1266
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:46,580
kitchen and I had my audio recorder

1267
00:57:52,670 --> 00:57:49,410
parallel to me on the counter and while

1268
00:57:55,070 --> 00:57:52,680
we were talking we witnessed it turned

1269
00:57:57,350 --> 00:57:55,080
45 degrees so it was now perpendicular

1270
00:57:59,210 --> 00:57:57,360
to me by unseen hands I mean so there

1271
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:59,220
was stuff going on but the child wasn't

1272
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:01,680
present at that point we

1273
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:04,050
are getting weird EMF readings even

1274
00:58:09,380 --> 00:58:07,440
though there was no electric outlet you

1275
00:58:11,870 --> 00:58:09,390
know it was there was a lot of stuff

1276
00:58:13,700 --> 00:58:11,880
going on in that house but you could

1277
00:58:15,980 --> 00:58:13,710
tell from what the family was going

1278
00:58:19,069 --> 00:58:15,990
through that something was centered on

1279
00:58:20,930 --> 00:58:19,079
this daughter and you know they were

1280
00:58:22,730 --> 00:58:20,940
still having issues even staying in the

1281
00:58:24,500 --> 00:58:22,740
hotel room they were like we got to get

1282
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:24,510
rid of whatever this is and I said well

1283
00:58:28,430 --> 00:58:25,890
there's definitely a problem here in

1284
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:28,440
this house but she might have just been

1285
00:58:32,210 --> 00:58:30,569
the spark that lit the fire when you

1286
00:58:34,339 --> 00:58:32,220
guys moved in here because she's got

1287
00:58:37,069 --> 00:58:34,349
something attached to her already you

1288
00:58:40,250 --> 00:58:37,079
know well do you feel that in

1289
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:40,260
poltergeist cases at least sometimes or

1290
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:42,450
maybe all the time that it isn't

1291
00:58:47,809 --> 00:58:46,650
necessarily and then to entity throwing

1292
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:47,819
the golf ball during because because

1293
00:58:51,230 --> 00:58:49,680
I've been in cases where I just have

1294
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:51,240
felt no presence when things are moving

1295
00:58:57,940 --> 00:58:54,480
around and I'm wondering is it possibly

1296
00:59:01,160 --> 00:58:57,950
the byproducts of the in our terms

1297
00:59:02,599 --> 00:59:01,170
parallel world intersect or portal

1298
00:59:05,420 --> 00:59:02,609
energy or whatever you want to call it

1299
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:05,430
it's actually doing some of the the

1300
00:59:10,430 --> 00:59:07,200
psychokinetic activity as opposed to

1301
00:59:13,250 --> 00:59:10,440
what the deliberate move by some entity

1302
00:59:16,099 --> 00:59:13,260
I don't know that's just the hunch that

1303
00:59:17,829 --> 00:59:16,109
I get most of the time what's your net

1304
00:59:20,359 --> 00:59:17,839
that's interesting that I'm going to

1305
00:59:24,109 --> 00:59:20,369
think that through I mean because up to

1306
00:59:26,059 --> 00:59:24,119
now I've always just you know said in my

1307
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:26,069
mind that you know the psychic or a

1308
00:59:30,410 --> 00:59:28,319
telekinetic ability was more of a

1309
00:59:32,780 --> 00:59:30,420
manifestation of the living than it was

1310
00:59:34,609 --> 00:59:32,790
you know the people the living do it

1311
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:34,619
they leave their psychic imprints they

1312
00:59:39,500 --> 00:59:37,770
have the ability to get so stressed and

1313
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:39,510
if they internalize it and when they

1314
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:41,760
finally relax it has to go somewhere and

1315
00:59:47,450 --> 00:59:43,410
that's when things start flying around

1316
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:47,460
the room but that would be interesting I

1317
00:59:51,559 --> 00:59:49,770
get what you're saying with your theory

1318
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:51,569
I think that's that's interesting about

1319
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:55,410
the idea yeah well you know I've even

1320
01:00:01,370 --> 00:59:57,599
found that there are certain areas of

1321
01:00:04,730 --> 01:00:01,380
course where you know things keep

1322
01:00:07,539 --> 01:00:04,740
reoccurring now I was what would the

1323
01:00:11,359 --> 01:00:07,549
Maria d'andrea one of our authors in the

1324
01:00:14,670 --> 01:00:11,369
psychic that I was working with we went

1325
01:00:20,940 --> 01:00:14,680
to Hampton Beach in new

1326
01:00:22,140 --> 01:00:20,950
Hampshire and there is a witch goody I

1327
01:00:25,620 --> 01:00:22,150
believe her name was

1328
01:00:29,220 --> 01:00:25,630
who was arrest by the village villagers

1329
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:29,230
is going back you know the the 1780 or

1330
01:00:33,870 --> 01:00:31,570
1800 or something like that because she

1331
01:00:36,930 --> 01:00:33,880
supposedly had you know a paranormal

1332
01:00:38,310 --> 01:00:36,940
powers and she put a curse you know she

1333
01:00:39,870 --> 01:00:38,320
got harassed so much that they

1334
01:00:42,570 --> 01:00:39,880
threatened to burn her house down and

1335
01:00:44,850 --> 01:00:42,580
and so forth and she even suppose we put

1336
01:00:48,030 --> 01:00:44,860
a curse on the on the town

1337
01:00:49,470 --> 01:00:48,040
okay so Maria and I we we were up there

1338
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:49,480
we decided to do a little bit of

1339
01:00:54,780 --> 01:00:52,930
investigating on our own in fact the the

1340
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:54,790
case is written up in a book that you

1341
01:01:02,310 --> 01:00:58,480
contributed some material in a medieval

1342
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:02,320
and Beyond which is really not all that

1343
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:04,210
much about the Amityville Horror because

1344
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:06,490
that's been done you know time and time

1345
01:01:12,420 --> 01:01:09,250
again and probably very little new to

1346
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:12,430
say about it pro or con but like you

1347
01:01:17,330 --> 01:01:14,610
Paul I've reached the conclusion that

1348
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:17,340
this is all kind of interrelated

1349
01:01:24,090 --> 01:01:21,130
phenomena and what appears to be the

1350
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:24,100
souls of the departed or demons could

1351
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:26,770
well be something from some other time

1352
01:01:34,140 --> 01:01:31,090
or place or outside the the matrix as so

1353
01:01:37,230 --> 01:01:34,150
to speak anyway we decided well let's go

1354
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:37,240
in and find where witch Goodier lived

1355
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:39,610
and the apparently the the home is still

1356
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:43,210
there or what is an old shack and maybe

1357
01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:44,890
it's not the actual place where she

1358
01:01:49,610 --> 01:01:47,440
resided but people think that it is or

1359
01:01:52,590 --> 01:01:49,620
it's it's brought out a tourist guide

1360
01:01:54,540 --> 01:01:52,600
anyway so we're walking around this area

1361
01:01:57,530 --> 01:01:54,550
which is on a side street right the

1362
01:02:00,270 --> 01:01:57,540
block or two off of Hampton Beach and

1363
01:02:04,650 --> 01:02:00,280
running into people on the on the street

1364
01:02:07,650 --> 01:02:04,660
now a one individual that we we spoke to

1365
01:02:10,650 --> 01:02:07,660
gentlemen I would say in his early to

1366
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:10,660
mid 40s was was very shocked and

1367
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:14,650
surprised to hear that there was a a so

1368
01:02:20,430 --> 01:02:17,680
suppose it and I use this in quotes evil

1369
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:20,440
witch who lived down the you know the

1370
01:02:25,110 --> 01:02:22,930
road less than the you know eighth of a

1371
01:02:28,070 --> 01:02:25,120
mile but he said you know it's very

1372
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:28,080
peculiar because my house there

1373
01:02:32,810 --> 01:02:30,000
are strange things that are going on all

1374
01:02:34,010 --> 01:02:32,820
the time and I'm almost afraid to go

1375
01:02:35,780 --> 01:02:34,020
upstairs

1376
01:02:38,180 --> 01:02:35,790
so we question them well what's going on

1377
01:02:41,690 --> 01:02:38,190
upstairs well it's the usual of you know

1378
01:02:43,550 --> 01:02:41,700
poly guy's phenomena and I think you

1379
01:02:48,430 --> 01:02:43,560
know footsteps and lights going on and

1380
01:02:52,490 --> 01:02:48,440
off and shadowy the beings and stuff

1381
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:52,500
like that so it does seem that there are

1382
01:03:00,620 --> 01:02:57,210
areas that are infested with the spirits

1383
01:03:04,910 --> 01:03:00,630
or parasites or interdimensional beings

1384
01:03:07,310 --> 01:03:04,920
whether they are in the form of the you

1385
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:07,320
know this is a man in the Buckskin the

1386
01:03:13,850 --> 01:03:10,250
flying you know over the roofs of homes

1387
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:13,860
or if they're a Bigfoot in the in the

1388
01:03:21,260 --> 01:03:17,570
the forest area there we were in

1389
01:03:24,260 --> 01:03:21,270
Pennsylvania but so for the how did you

1390
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:24,270
what was the first you know the thing

1391
01:03:27,740 --> 01:03:25,920
that kind of got you off the idea now

1392
01:03:31,550 --> 01:03:27,750
you were in the seminary you work with

1393
01:03:33,470 --> 01:03:31,560
the ed in the lorena ward and in some of

1394
01:03:37,550 --> 01:03:33,480
their cases and of course they take a

1395
01:03:39,950 --> 01:03:37,560
very Christianized the view of opposing

1396
01:03:42,020 --> 01:03:39,960
guys and in all of this how did you

1397
01:03:45,460 --> 01:03:42,030
divert from this what I would consider

1398
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:45,470
the most that popularized the theory

1399
01:03:51,230 --> 01:03:48,210
well I just would have to maybe correct

1400
01:03:53,660 --> 01:03:51,240
one thing that they the Warrens took a

1401
01:03:56,660 --> 01:03:53,670
sort of a pop theological approach it

1402
01:03:59,960 --> 01:03:56,670
really wasn't all that Christian and in

1403
01:04:02,420 --> 01:03:59,970
the strictest sense I just I would just

1404
01:04:04,310 --> 01:04:02,430
find that things didn't add up

1405
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:04,320
my first case nineteen said we talked

1406
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:08,010
about many times on the m1917 1972 I was

1407
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:10,410
out there with with five depending on

1408
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:12,480
which trip or six other seminary

1409
01:04:16,550 --> 01:04:14,010
students and a photo expert from a

1410
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:16,560
corporate entity in Connecticut and it

1411
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:19,890
just everything was so physical it was

1412
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:22,050
like you hear the oxcart go by but you

1413
01:04:24,650 --> 01:04:23,490
can't see it but what you're hearing the

1414
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:24,660
wooden wheels you're hearing the guy

1415
01:04:27,830 --> 01:04:26,400
yelling you're hearing the crack of a

1416
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:27,840
whip you're hearing hoofbeats I mean is

1417
01:04:31,850 --> 01:04:29,970
this is it it just didn't strike me as

1418
01:04:33,860 --> 01:04:31,860
very spiritual it strike it struck me

1419
01:04:36,260 --> 01:04:33,870
more as if as something to do with time

1420
01:04:37,730 --> 01:04:36,270
than anything else you know laughter of

1421
01:04:39,230 --> 01:04:37,740
children and how do you laugh if you

1422
01:04:40,790 --> 01:04:39,240
don't have a body you know I don't have

1423
01:04:42,590 --> 01:04:40,800
any vocal chords okay

1424
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:42,600
stuff like that why do we see ghost

1425
01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:44,400
wearing clothes or driving cars doing

1426
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:46,980
the physicality was just striking I

1427
01:04:52,190 --> 01:04:49,410
don't to this day allowed it to never

1428
01:04:55,460 --> 01:04:52,200
ask those questions at least not most I

1429
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:55,470
don't know but just I just got in the

1430
01:04:59,660 --> 01:04:57,450
exorcisms that was in the 70s I was in

1431
01:05:01,880 --> 01:04:59,670
the the major seminaries they called and

1432
01:05:03,830 --> 01:05:01,890
I was not doing them of course I was

1433
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:03,840
assisting a priest because the second

1434
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:07,290
faculty I had on the college level was

1435
01:05:12,830 --> 01:05:10,410
very sympathetic to this most of my

1436
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:12,840
surprise and it's just you know they're

1437
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:14,370
they're pronouncing or using the

1438
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:16,530
authority to throw out the game they

1439
01:05:20,180 --> 01:05:18,480
wanted its name and they just assumed

1440
01:05:22,610 --> 01:05:20,190
everything that it said it was true and

1441
01:05:24,770 --> 01:05:22,620
it's just I just got the feeling that

1442
01:05:26,540 --> 01:05:24,780
was something much deeper going on here

1443
01:05:29,930 --> 01:05:26,550
and that this thing was having just

1444
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:29,940
making fools out of these people meaning

1445
01:05:34,060 --> 01:05:31,410
that the priests of the assistants you

1446
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:34,070
know with all due respect so it just I

1447
01:05:40,690 --> 01:05:37,170
tended to ask difficult questions in the

1448
01:05:43,100 --> 01:05:40,700
seminary to like well gee you know if

1449
01:05:46,310 --> 01:05:43,110
Jesus is in the tomb three days between

1450
01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:46,320
them I mean Friday afternoon to Sunday

1451
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:47,760
morning is not three days it's like a

1452
01:05:50,980 --> 01:05:49,680
day and a half you know stuff like that

1453
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:50,990
everybody doesn't make any difference

1454
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:54,000
but just bothered me the way things have

1455
01:05:58,910 --> 01:05:57,330
been handed down and the veneer and the

1456
01:06:01,610 --> 01:05:58,920
baggage that a lot of the old beliefs

1457
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:01,620
have taken on so that you have instead

1458
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:03,810
of you know possibly some sort of cosmic

1459
01:06:09,830 --> 01:06:06,330
beings as I talked about in the

1460
01:06:12,350 --> 01:06:09,840
Mahabharata of the Indian culture and

1461
01:06:13,820 --> 01:06:12,360
you instead have you know Satan and

1462
01:06:16,180 --> 01:06:13,830
demons you know actually having physical

1463
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:16,190
warfare whether you know it's very

1464
01:06:21,260 --> 01:06:19,290
anthropomorphic we put our own spin on

1465
01:06:22,820 --> 01:06:21,270
it and our own labels that we understand

1466
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:22,830
that it might be might be way beyond our

1467
01:06:26,510 --> 01:06:24,000
understanding and I think that

1468
01:06:28,490 --> 01:06:26,520
essentially sums up the paranormal and

1469
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:28,500
let's hence the subtitle of our last

1470
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:30,090
book everything you know is wrong

1471
01:06:33,410 --> 01:06:31,890
because we have to start chemical square

1472
01:06:36,380 --> 01:06:33,420
one so that's a long answer to a short

1473
01:06:39,890 --> 01:06:36,390
question well what what is right I mean

1474
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:39,900
how do we hot is it well we get it okay

1475
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:42,810
so it no I do I just did a book here

1476
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:45,210
that just came out the this last weekend

1477
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:48,720
the matrix controls system philip k dick

1478
01:06:53,300 --> 01:06:51,450
and the paranormal synchronicities of

1479
01:06:54,620 --> 01:06:53,310
tim Beckley that would be me

1480
01:06:56,930 --> 01:06:54,630
because you know

1481
01:06:58,339 --> 01:06:56,940
like you say it's all interrelated and I

1482
01:07:01,640 --> 01:06:58,349
find that the synchronicities and

1483
01:07:05,150 --> 01:07:01,650
so-called coincidences play an important

1484
01:07:07,729 --> 01:07:05,160
role in all of this I mean yeah III

1485
01:07:09,769 --> 01:07:07,739
doubt you know some people say oh I woke

1486
01:07:11,450 --> 01:07:09,779
up in the clocks at 11:11 I wouldn't

1487
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:11,460
even include that in the book or I I

1488
01:07:15,319 --> 01:07:13,410
thought of somebody and the telephone

1489
01:07:18,259 --> 01:07:15,329
rang at two days later and it was them

1490
01:07:21,309 --> 01:07:18,269
and I hadn't now nonsense I mean I got

1491
01:07:23,299 --> 01:07:21,319
stuff here that is hard for

1492
01:07:25,700 --> 01:07:23,309
synchronicities you could win the

1493
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:25,710
lottery quicker than you can have these

1494
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:27,450
synchronous and and just like some

1495
01:07:31,069 --> 01:07:29,609
people have repeated UFOs a UFO

1496
01:07:33,620 --> 01:07:31,079
repeaters you know we did a book on that

1497
01:07:36,499 --> 01:07:33,630
for repeaters the camera doesn't lie I'm

1498
01:07:38,509 --> 01:07:36,509
the master of synchronicities I mean

1499
01:07:40,849 --> 01:07:38,519
I've got more I got enough to just write

1500
01:07:43,729 --> 01:07:40,859
80 pages of my own synchronicities and

1501
01:07:47,450 --> 01:07:43,739
at all bizarre and very strange as we

1502
01:07:49,489 --> 01:07:47,460
will return in just a few minutes with

1503
01:07:53,359 --> 01:07:49,499
the last segment of it's going to put

1504
01:07:54,979 --> 01:07:53,369
off bizarre that are too great two

1505
01:08:02,240 --> 01:07:54,989
guests of the evening and a tongue-tied

1506
01:08:08,970 --> 01:08:06,420
now back to exploring the bazaar with

1507
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:08,980
two of the most electrifying researchers

1508
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:13,200
in apparel your hosts Timothy Begley and

1509
01:08:20,039 --> 01:08:18,489
Kingsport's alright we're back this is

1510
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:20,049
our last segment for the evening and

1511
01:08:27,419 --> 01:08:24,880
time is flying by rapidly and we have

1512
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:27,429
tonight that Paula you know who is the

1513
01:08:38,039 --> 01:08:31,410
master of many worlds and dimensions and

1514
01:08:40,740 --> 01:08:38,049
we and we have Laura Hoffman who is the

1515
01:08:43,050 --> 01:08:40,750
author of ghost of the Poconos and the

1516
01:08:46,769 --> 01:08:43,060
founder and director of the New Jersey

1517
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:46,779
ghost hunter society and and Laura I I

1518
01:08:52,260 --> 01:08:49,449
have to ask you since you're now in the

1519
01:08:55,079 --> 01:08:52,270
Poconos do you still have the

1520
01:08:58,200 --> 01:08:55,089
organization the new jersey goes under

1521
01:09:01,530 --> 01:08:58,210
society oh you do yes definitely I mean

1522
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:01,540
I keep the website up and maintain all

1523
01:09:07,019 --> 01:09:04,410
that stuff I'm always I'm more of the

1524
01:09:08,970 --> 01:09:07,029
person behind the curtain type feel at

1525
01:09:11,519 --> 01:09:08,980
this point in terms of being involved

1526
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:11,529
with writing and researching but I have

1527
01:09:18,930 --> 01:09:15,520
amazing team leaders and they handle the

1528
01:09:20,729 --> 01:09:18,940
monthly meetings so we still have where

1529
01:09:23,309 --> 01:09:20,739
you're mostly meeting so I can pull it I

1530
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:23,319
can crash it sometimes out of all that

1531
01:09:27,900 --> 01:09:25,330
would be phenomenal it was great it's

1532
01:09:30,030 --> 01:09:27,910
right than the one that was we have

1533
01:09:31,890 --> 01:09:30,040
right now is every third Tuesday of the

1534
01:09:35,039 --> 01:09:31,900
month in Hackettstown New Jersey

1535
01:09:37,729 --> 01:09:35,049
Hackettstown yes and oh is that is that

1536
01:09:40,860 --> 01:09:37,739
numerically is that your Blairstown

1537
01:09:44,490 --> 01:09:40,870
Blairstown is exit 12 on 80 in

1538
01:09:47,910 --> 01:09:44,500
Hackettstown is exit 19 yeah because my

1539
01:09:50,820 --> 01:09:47,920
writing girl I know my exit you know the

1540
01:09:54,300 --> 01:09:50,830
movie phantasm was a photograph partly

1541
01:09:57,150 --> 01:09:54,310
in the Blairstown cemetery there and I

1542
01:10:00,330 --> 01:09:57,160
used to go out on the weekends and visit

1543
01:10:03,209 --> 01:10:00,340
visit eivin T Sanderson who had no

1544
01:10:05,820 --> 01:10:03,219
foundation yeah yeah and I know I'm

1545
01:10:08,939 --> 01:10:05,830
showing my show my my you shoes I don't

1546
01:10:10,410 --> 01:10:08,949
feel too bad yeah okay anyway I better

1547
01:10:13,020 --> 01:10:10,420
watch out he's serious about crashing

1548
01:10:13,860 --> 01:10:13,030
meetings 10 beg America that would be

1549
01:10:16,020 --> 01:10:13,870
great

1550
01:10:19,170 --> 01:10:16,030
that way alright Dina is the team leader

1551
01:10:22,260 --> 01:10:19,180
and she she puts together like a guest

1552
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:22,270
speaker or at least a topic of highlight

1553
01:10:28,350 --> 01:10:25,930
for each meeting each month and then she

1554
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:28,360
also every meeting its standard to have

1555
01:10:32,940 --> 01:10:31,210
what we call us a share and scare so

1556
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:32,950
people bring their evidence and we

1557
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:35,890
review it and see what we can tell about

1558
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:39,130
it or out hey I did want to ask you

1559
01:10:46,110 --> 01:10:42,400
we've you we talked about this during

1560
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:46,120
the the break one of the cases that you

1561
01:10:49,980 --> 01:10:47,890
investigated that you said some people

1562
01:10:54,210 --> 01:10:49,990
would be familiar with and I wasn't

1563
01:10:57,690 --> 01:10:54,220
familiar with is the spy house yes the

1564
01:11:00,210 --> 01:10:57,700
spy house it's um in Port Monmouth and

1565
01:11:03,380 --> 01:11:00,220
that's New Jersey well most people

1566
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:03,390
knocks at 1:17 Garden State Parkway and

1567
01:11:08,850 --> 01:11:06,610
it used to be the see warrant was at the

1568
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:08,860
scene one house you know know the name

1569
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:11,410
escapes me now but basically it's

1570
01:11:16,230 --> 01:11:13,600
affectionately known as the spy house

1571
01:11:19,980 --> 01:11:16,240
it's right across the Raritan Bay from

1572
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:19,990
the conference house that sits on Staten

1573
01:11:27,540 --> 01:11:25,210
Island and it has its over 300 years old

1574
01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:27,550
there's the original part is still there

1575
01:11:31,710 --> 01:11:29,440
and they had you know added on to it

1576
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:31,720
throughout the years but it maintains

1577
01:11:35,790 --> 01:11:34,090
the status of being the number one most

1578
01:11:38,430 --> 01:11:35,800
haunted place on the eastern seaboard

1579
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:38,440
and in the top five for the United

1580
01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:41,410
States it has the ghost of Thomas

1581
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:43,360
Whitlock from when it was a tavern and

1582
01:11:47,730 --> 01:11:45,730
he was the tavern owner there's the

1583
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:47,740
three spy house children from when a

1584
01:11:52,650 --> 01:11:49,930
reverend and his wife and their three

1585
01:11:55,740 --> 01:11:52,660
children lived there the ghost of

1586
01:11:58,830 --> 01:11:55,750
Abigail can be seen looking out the

1587
01:12:01,260 --> 01:11:58,840
second-story back bedroom window towards

1588
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:01,270
the bay and they don't she never says

1589
01:12:05,940 --> 01:12:04,090
anything they just theorized that she

1590
01:12:09,660 --> 01:12:05,950
lost her husband at sea and she's just

1591
01:12:11,730 --> 01:12:09,670
seen staring out the window I I can tell

1592
01:12:14,610 --> 01:12:11,740
you this much I that's where I had my

1593
01:12:16,710 --> 01:12:14,620
most unusual things and really got me

1594
01:12:18,780 --> 01:12:16,720
all back into this was I took a ghost

1595
01:12:21,870 --> 01:12:18,790
tour like I was saying earlier you know

1596
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:21,880
I met Jane Dougherty and while we were

1597
01:12:26,060 --> 01:12:25,120
waiting to take the tour we were

1598
01:12:28,010 --> 01:12:26,070
standing in the

1599
01:12:29,839 --> 01:12:28,020
what was the front parlor of the house

1600
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:29,849
and they had all these taxidermied

1601
01:12:34,879 --> 01:12:31,770
animals on the shelf above the fireplace

1602
01:12:37,459 --> 01:12:34,889
and all of a sudden I could smell pipe

1603
01:12:39,140 --> 01:12:37,469
tobacco and I took one look at my

1604
01:12:40,580 --> 01:12:39,150
then-husband he looked at me we were

1605
01:12:42,319 --> 01:12:40,590
both like great I'm going to get a

1606
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:42,329
migraine because I can't be around

1607
01:12:47,149 --> 01:12:44,400
certain smells or I get a vicious

1608
01:12:50,569 --> 01:12:47,159
migraine and before I could even say

1609
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:50,579
anything it was gone and now knowing

1610
01:12:54,290 --> 01:12:52,650
what we know about paranormal odors

1611
01:12:56,510 --> 01:12:54,300
there there long enough for you to

1612
01:12:58,100 --> 01:12:56,520
identify them and they leave and that's

1613
01:12:59,990 --> 01:12:58,110
what this was because let's face it if

1614
01:13:02,660 --> 01:13:00,000
somebody really had a pipe going it

1615
01:13:04,490 --> 01:13:02,670
would still be there you know and we

1616
01:13:06,890 --> 01:13:04,500
thought it was weird but then the tour

1617
01:13:10,189 --> 01:13:06,900
started when we made our way on the tour

1618
01:13:12,020 --> 01:13:10,199
and Jane announced that when she got to

1619
01:13:14,330 --> 01:13:12,030
the top of the stair she would stand

1620
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:14,340
there and step in and out of the energy

1621
01:13:19,310 --> 01:13:16,170
to show people how her stomach actually

1622
01:13:21,020 --> 01:13:19,320
contracts outward as if she's like nine

1623
01:13:23,959 --> 01:13:21,030
months pregnant when she's in spirit

1624
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:23,969
energy so it was taken a little while to

1625
01:13:28,100 --> 01:13:25,920
get up the stairs and my husband was on

1626
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:28,110
the step above me and all of a sudden I

1627
01:13:33,620 --> 01:13:31,050
felt like this sucker punched my gut and

1628
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:33,630
it came up through my throat and I

1629
01:13:36,589 --> 01:13:35,250
looked at him and I'm like get me out of

1630
01:13:38,209 --> 01:13:36,599
here he's like why I'm like I'm going to

1631
01:13:40,879 --> 01:13:38,219
throw up get me out of here now and I'm

1632
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:40,889
like and I could feel it and and he was

1633
01:13:44,270 --> 01:13:42,000
like you didn't know what to do so

1634
01:13:46,339 --> 01:13:44,280
instinctively pick me up by my arms and

1635
01:13:47,839 --> 01:13:46,349
I had my tippy-toes hanging on his stair

1636
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:47,849
but he did the right thing he

1637
01:13:53,060 --> 01:13:50,130
instinctively got me out of the path of

1638
01:13:55,100 --> 01:13:53,070
that energy and I started to feel better

1639
01:13:58,100 --> 01:13:55,110
because there was nowhere we could go it

1640
01:13:59,720 --> 01:13:58,110
was wall-to-wall people when we finally

1641
01:14:01,970 --> 01:13:59,730
made it up to Jane we told her what

1642
01:14:03,709 --> 01:14:01,980
happened and she said oh you know the

1643
01:14:05,540 --> 01:14:03,719
area where you were standing a lot of

1644
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:05,550
clairvoyance see a British Redcoat

1645
01:14:09,530 --> 01:14:08,010
making his patrol and he might have been

1646
01:14:12,350 --> 01:14:09,540
making his patrol and he went right

1647
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:12,360
through you and it made a lot of sense

1648
01:14:15,620 --> 01:14:14,489
because when you study you know what the

1649
01:14:18,169 --> 01:14:15,630
spirits have looked for the high

1650
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:18,179
vibratory frequency they're at and we're

1651
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:20,880
not that explained that whole

1652
01:14:28,100 --> 01:14:23,280
sucker-punch feeling and then years

1653
01:14:29,390 --> 01:14:28,110
later I was on another case and I kind

1654
01:14:30,950 --> 01:14:29,400
of walked right through the ghost I

1655
01:14:33,379 --> 01:14:30,960
think he wanted to get out of my way but

1656
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:33,389
I went through him and I got that same

1657
01:14:37,100 --> 01:14:35,280
sensation of being knocked in the gut

1658
01:14:39,709 --> 01:14:37,110
and I collapsed on the dining room chair

1659
01:14:41,719 --> 01:14:39,719
and all of a sudden all our equipment

1660
01:14:43,969 --> 01:14:41,729
is going off and we had a beautiful

1661
01:14:45,950 --> 01:14:43,979
video shot of like I collapsed on the

1662
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:45,960
chair and you see this orbital fly up

1663
01:14:49,879 --> 01:14:48,239
and hover all around the chandelier with

1664
01:14:53,239 --> 01:14:49,889
all the detectors and everything going

1665
01:14:56,060 --> 01:14:53,249
off and it was it was usually said it

1666
01:15:00,799 --> 01:14:56,070
was that well in the way I felt is that

1667
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:00,809
on your website no now that was many

1668
01:15:05,029 --> 01:15:03,360
years ago you don't have a copy that

1669
01:15:07,729 --> 01:15:05,039
would like to use that on YouTube if we

1670
01:15:10,430 --> 01:15:07,739
had it I would love it if I could track

1671
01:15:12,830 --> 01:15:10,440
it down I remember the person whose

1672
01:15:15,109 --> 01:15:12,840
camera it was but I have lost contact

1673
01:15:17,839 --> 01:15:15,119
with them that was how long ago it was

1674
01:15:20,060 --> 01:15:17,849
it was at a house and I do remember it

1675
01:15:22,430 --> 01:15:20,070
was like a lake Parsippany that's where

1676
01:15:26,020 --> 01:15:22,440
we were but now you talk about a

1677
01:15:29,239 --> 01:15:26,030
technology and and we did mention this

1678
01:15:32,209 --> 01:15:29,249
before Paul you said you had a camera a

1679
01:15:34,129 --> 01:15:32,219
tape recorder and a notebook what what

1680
01:15:37,759 --> 01:15:34,139
do you think about the technology that

1681
01:15:39,799 --> 01:15:37,769
the people are using today to corral

1682
01:15:43,609 --> 01:15:39,809
so-called the ghosts and spirits

1683
01:15:45,979 --> 01:15:43,619
well because I'm so old I don't really

1684
01:15:49,700 --> 01:15:45,989
appreciate it a lot in some cases I do

1685
01:15:52,549 --> 01:15:49,710
but having used well having been in the

1686
01:15:54,620 --> 01:15:52,559
military and having you know albeit 40

1687
01:15:56,810 --> 01:15:54,630
years ago you know and having some

1688
01:15:58,580 --> 01:15:56,820
experience with some of this stuff I

1689
01:16:01,189 --> 01:15:58,590
don't know if people really understand

1690
01:16:03,319 --> 01:16:01,199
how it works although I will say one

1691
01:16:06,489 --> 01:16:03,329
thing for the electromagnetic field

1692
01:16:10,339 --> 01:16:06,499
meter or EMF meter I had one that had a

1693
01:16:13,100 --> 01:16:10,349
old kind of physical dial on evil not

1694
01:16:14,839 --> 01:16:13,110
digital and I was the editor of I was

1695
01:16:16,549 --> 01:16:14,849
the editor of weekly paper here in Rhode

1696
01:16:18,430 --> 01:16:16,559
Island and an engineer friend what so

1697
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:18,440
you know if this is really

1698
01:16:22,339 --> 01:16:20,489
electromagnetic and they're also - they

1699
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:22,349
don't possibly geotechnics ACTA so you

1700
01:16:29,029 --> 01:16:24,719
might want to try use again the EMF

1701
01:16:30,109 --> 01:16:29,039
meter so I went in and whenever this

1702
01:16:32,629 --> 01:16:30,119
particular house of experts

1703
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:32,639
Massachusetts there was something coming

1704
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:36,570
down that hallway I knew it it detected

1705
01:16:40,700 --> 01:16:39,090
an electromagnetic field which of course

1706
01:16:41,779 --> 01:16:40,710
surrounds an electric current which

1707
01:16:44,689 --> 01:16:41,789
seemed to be right in the middle of the

1708
01:16:47,779 --> 01:16:44,699
air and their needle dropped to nothing

1709
01:16:51,830 --> 01:16:47,789
just stopped the thing went right by me

1710
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:51,840
and I said what shouldn't it be going up

1711
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:53,850
but I finally - right

1712
01:16:59,720 --> 01:16:56,730
in our opinion what few uses I have for

1713
01:17:02,210 --> 01:16:59,730
that thing if it's digital and the the

1714
01:17:03,980 --> 01:17:02,220
polarity on the field reverses and it

1715
01:17:05,990 --> 01:17:03,990
goes into the negative range that's

1716
01:17:09,290 --> 01:17:06,000
really strange that happened to me on

1717
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:09,300
Blennerhassett Island in the middle of

1718
01:17:15,230 --> 01:17:12,210
the Ohio River during the paranormal

1719
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:15,240
conference in oh three in Parkersburg

1720
01:17:17,690 --> 01:17:17,130
West Virginia or the Mothman kind of

1721
01:17:21,740 --> 01:17:17,700
area

1722
01:17:23,330 --> 01:17:21,750
and that occurred and it's been our

1723
01:17:25,130 --> 01:17:23,340
Susan Shepherd the organizer said Oh

1724
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:25,140
Paul's gonna be our fearless leader

1725
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:27,570
tonight of this Ghost Walk I never get

1726
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:28,890
out of Ghost Walk before I thought they

1727
01:17:33,620 --> 01:17:31,170
were dumb but I hadn't I'd allow our

1728
01:17:35,390 --> 01:17:33,630
good time and what it takes is watching

1729
01:17:37,370 --> 01:17:35,400
a you know let you get a little blot you

1730
01:17:39,290 --> 01:17:37,380
get a little flask of rum and stick it

1731
01:17:41,540 --> 01:17:39,300
in your pocket and you you go on the

1732
01:17:43,940 --> 01:17:41,550
ghost walk in your you're all set for

1733
01:17:45,140 --> 01:17:43,950
the evening you want to pervert you know

1734
01:17:47,990 --> 01:17:45,150
make the ghosts think you one of them

1735
01:17:48,980 --> 01:17:48,000
but I often they often do I find that

1736
01:17:50,990 --> 01:17:48,990
they're afraid of us because they think

1737
01:17:51,980 --> 01:17:51,000
we're ghosts haunting them is they're

1738
01:17:54,380 --> 01:17:51,990
not goes to the heart

1739
01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:54,390
anyway that's right so that was all I

1740
01:18:00,440 --> 01:17:57,930
for that stuff on the electronics but

1741
01:18:02,690 --> 01:18:00,450
ion detectors and all this stuff I mean

1742
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:02,700
I mean we can influence temperature

1743
01:18:04,610 --> 01:18:04,290
ourselves and there are all kinds of

1744
01:18:08,270 --> 01:18:04,620
things

1745
01:18:10,430 --> 01:18:08,280
I know EVPs look electronic voice

1746
01:18:12,620 --> 01:18:10,440
phenomena bank could tell you all about

1747
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:12,630
it cuz he's a sound expert so I won't

1748
01:18:19,610 --> 01:18:17,850
even try anyway well yeah well Laura how

1749
01:18:22,100 --> 01:18:19,620
about you I mean what what sort of

1750
01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:22,110
equipment do you use when you go out on

1751
01:18:31,070 --> 01:18:24,840
a on a ghost Walker hunter whatever I

1752
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:31,080
have well a Mel meter and humidity and

1753
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:33,210
the barometric pressure as well as the

1754
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:39,120
EMF and I had a DVD we're going to

1755
01:18:46,490 --> 01:18:44,130
upgrade that to an eight HD one so I can

1756
01:18:49,310 --> 01:18:46,500
still shoot a night shot but also get

1757
01:18:53,210 --> 01:18:49,320
the high def capability and a nikon

1758
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:53,220
camera that is just great for high res

1759
01:18:59,660 --> 01:18:56,610
still shots and a little Sony audio

1760
01:19:01,270 --> 01:18:59,670
digital recorder for the EVP for

1761
01:19:03,690 --> 01:19:01,280
[Music]

1762
01:19:05,670 --> 01:19:03,700
traditional in the equipment that I use

1763
01:19:10,380 --> 01:19:05,680
[Music]

1764
01:19:12,810 --> 01:19:10,390
these k2 meters I really don't see the

1765
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:12,820
the value and the floors like oh it

1766
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:15,130
lights up and it's like an EMF but not

1767
01:19:19,070 --> 01:19:17,650
but you're asking a question and to me

1768
01:19:21,810 --> 01:19:19,080
it's like well it's just a

1769
01:19:24,150 --> 01:19:21,820
battery-operated light up table tipping

1770
01:19:26,340 --> 01:19:24,160
device I mean that's it's kind of

1771
01:19:29,010 --> 01:19:26,350
synonymous with that like Oh blink this

1772
01:19:30,570 --> 01:19:29,020
for yes like that for no and those

1773
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:30,580
things I haven't been to a while about

1774
01:19:34,260 --> 01:19:32,890
the crappy EMF meters that you see some

1775
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:34,270
people holding that have the red

1776
01:19:38,940 --> 01:19:36,400
blinking light I'm like no you want the

1777
01:19:42,090 --> 01:19:38,950
real ones that measures the milligauss

1778
01:19:45,450 --> 01:19:42,100
and has the needle you know my first

1779
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:45,460
husband was a radio technology guy so he

1780
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:48,730
had the heavy-duty EMF meter and you

1781
01:19:53,550 --> 01:19:51,130
know those were things I was used to the

1782
01:19:55,740 --> 01:19:53,560
new stuff with all that like the boxes

1783
01:19:57,150 --> 01:19:55,750
were there communicating

1784
01:19:59,610 --> 01:19:57,160
oh the but I was going to ask you about

1785
01:20:00,410 --> 01:19:59,620
that at the the spirit box is that a

1786
01:20:05,250 --> 01:20:00,420
hoax

1787
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:05,260
um I don't think it was intended to be a

1788
01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:08,410
hoax I think whoever was working on it

1789
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:10,480
was really putting some valuable time

1790
01:20:17,220 --> 01:20:15,520
and effort but I don't I haven't it's

1791
01:20:20,060 --> 01:20:17,230
not going to be the AT&T of the

1792
01:20:23,100 --> 01:20:20,070
afterlife at this point you know nobody

1793
01:20:27,420 --> 01:20:23,110
nobody sounds better than George meek

1794
01:20:30,210 --> 01:20:27,430
didn't alright no I agree yeah he

1795
01:20:31,500 --> 01:20:30,220
imagined the shaver under his kid or

1796
01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:31,510
something like that I don't know you

1797
01:20:36,150 --> 01:20:33,280
know that's what it that's what it

1798
01:20:38,220 --> 01:20:36,160
always sounded like to to be but you

1799
01:20:41,370 --> 01:20:38,230
mentioned lore that you you have your

1800
01:20:46,170 --> 01:20:41,380
camera and your a tape deck for EVP

1801
01:20:49,700 --> 01:20:46,180
heavy Gatins spirit photos and voices

1802
01:20:53,700 --> 01:20:49,710
and sounds and things that weren't

1803
01:20:55,770 --> 01:20:53,710
visible or or were visible or yeah what

1804
01:20:59,310 --> 01:20:55,780
have you got interesting that some of

1805
01:21:00,630 --> 01:20:59,320
the better ghost photos that I have from

1806
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:00,640
all the years of doing this really

1807
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:02,890
harken back to the days a 35-millimeter

1808
01:21:09,450 --> 01:21:07,570
I don't know I think back then I had

1809
01:21:13,950 --> 01:21:09,460
what I called my ghost domitor my own

1810
01:21:17,070 --> 01:21:13,960
internal sense was a little more refined

1811
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:17,080
because I had to rely on like I would

1812
01:21:20,970 --> 01:21:19,210
send something about like shooting

1813
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:20,980
corner nope it moved over there and I

1814
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:23,410
and I was getting a higher success rate

1815
01:21:28,170 --> 01:21:26,800
and yet digital came along and all of a

1816
01:21:30,450 --> 01:21:28,180
sudden I could just look on the screen

1817
01:21:33,420 --> 01:21:30,460
and I got lazy and very dependent on

1818
01:21:36,330 --> 01:21:33,430
that that instant feedback of oh yeah

1819
01:21:38,729 --> 01:21:36,340
here it is you know but we did I have

1820
01:21:40,050 --> 01:21:38,739
that one I love that picture it's funny

1821
01:21:41,670 --> 01:21:40,060
over the years it's been on the website

1822
01:21:43,890 --> 01:21:41,680
people would write to me and say that's

1823
01:21:45,959 --> 01:21:43,900
not a ghost that's a woman in a costume

1824
01:21:48,780 --> 01:21:45,969
I'm like I know I'm the woman in the

1825
01:21:51,870 --> 01:21:48,790
costume but that white tornado thing

1826
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:51,880
standing next to me is the apparition of

1827
01:21:57,930 --> 01:21:55,120
swords you know so it's been interesting

1828
01:22:00,660 --> 01:21:57,940
to have shots like that one time I

1829
01:22:03,690 --> 01:22:00,670
actually did see an orb in my peripheral

1830
01:22:05,820 --> 01:22:03,700
vision fly by and I just snuck over and

1831
01:22:08,910 --> 01:22:05,830
grabbed the camera and just fired it in

1832
01:22:11,459 --> 01:22:08,920
that direction and I captured it so yeah

1833
01:22:13,770 --> 01:22:11,469
I would say 99% of your orbs are dust

1834
01:22:15,930 --> 01:22:13,780
and they are borne particulates but when

1835
01:22:18,540 --> 01:22:15,940
you have collaborating evidence where

1836
01:22:20,490 --> 01:22:18,550
you get an EVP or a temperature drop or

1837
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:20,500
an EMF spike at the same time you took

1838
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:22,570
that picture and you took several

1839
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:24,400
successive pictures and nothing else

1840
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:27,130
showed up just that one I'd say okay

1841
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:29,890
that gives us some validation in this

1842
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:31,840
case I actually saw the things like I

1843
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:34,330
and I took a picture of it which is rare

1844
01:22:40,020 --> 01:22:37,600
but it happened and the EVPs I was out

1845
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:40,030
on Saks bridge Saks covered bridge in

1846
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:43,690
Gettysburg and at this point it was just

1847
01:22:48,150 --> 01:22:45,730
me and one other investigator were the

1848
01:22:50,010 --> 01:22:48,160
only two people on the bridge and he was

1849
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:50,020
having fun taking pictures and I just

1850
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:52,210
all of a sudden I was standing there

1851
01:22:57,060 --> 01:22:55,090
with a recorder and I was just I didn't

1852
01:22:58,650 --> 01:22:57,070
even want to talk I didn't all I just

1853
01:23:00,450 --> 01:22:58,660
kind of stepped away and I would over to

1854
01:23:01,709 --> 01:23:00,460
him like you done he's like well I'm

1855
01:23:03,540 --> 01:23:01,719
getting some nice shots I'm like no

1856
01:23:05,459 --> 01:23:03,550
you're done you're done now right we can

1857
01:23:07,770 --> 01:23:05,469
go now he's like what are you freaking

1858
01:23:10,020 --> 01:23:07,780
out like yeah and I don't know why we

1859
01:23:11,610 --> 01:23:10,030
get in the truck we hook it up and we

1860
01:23:13,250 --> 01:23:11,620
could play it over the speakers and as

1861
01:23:17,790 --> 01:23:13,260
we're driving you could hear this hell

1862
01:23:19,650 --> 01:23:17,800
and I'm like oh god right you know so we

1863
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:19,660
recorded it but I didn't hear it I just

1864
01:23:24,690 --> 01:23:21,610
had the sensor I gotta get out of here

1865
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:24,700
well you know thank you how many if what

1866
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:26,850
Paul says is is true and we've got a

1867
01:23:32,500 --> 01:23:29,280
intermingling of the dimensions and

1868
01:23:34,930 --> 01:23:32,510
realities here all we do is hear

1869
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:34,940
what the hell they must hear coming from

1870
01:23:40,270 --> 01:23:37,370
this side of the the feds Paul would you

1871
01:23:40,750 --> 01:23:40,280
say right I mean much we're much worse

1872
01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:40,760
than that

1873
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:43,760
well I'm thinking when the one time I

1874
01:23:49,180 --> 01:23:46,610
was on the air it was their show with

1875
01:23:51,670 --> 01:23:49,190
the ghost hunters people and they were

1876
01:23:54,100 --> 01:23:51,680
talking and I was talking about and I

1877
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:54,110
they always their fellow Rhode Islanders

1878
01:23:58,330 --> 01:23:55,250
and I always get the impression they

1879
01:23:59,980 --> 01:23:58,340
consider me a threat you know because I

1880
01:24:01,600 --> 01:23:59,990
don't make a living at this and maybe

1881
01:24:04,030 --> 01:24:01,610
they do and that's just an impression

1882
01:24:05,770 --> 01:24:04,040
but they were saying talking about the

1883
01:24:07,870 --> 01:24:05,780
hotel incident where there was some

1884
01:24:10,570 --> 01:24:07,880
member of the royalty or something was

1885
01:24:12,070 --> 01:24:10,580
saying where are you you know when they

1886
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:12,080
were proud talking to it you know as if

1887
01:24:15,820 --> 01:24:13,250
she was on the other side of an

1888
01:24:18,460 --> 01:24:15,830
invisible wall like when you're going to

1889
01:24:21,310 --> 01:24:18,470
open open a graphics file in Photoshop

1890
01:24:23,050 --> 01:24:21,320
if it's if it's TIFF you might not see

1891
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:23,060
it but if it's JPEG you might or vice

1892
01:24:28,930 --> 01:24:25,520
versa it's almost like that I think and

1893
01:24:31,180 --> 01:24:28,940
and so they were almost coming over to

1894
01:24:33,580 --> 01:24:31,190
to the point of view that maybe it's

1895
01:24:35,620 --> 01:24:33,590
more about time that is about death in

1896
01:24:38,020 --> 01:24:35,630
that sense and and that sort of thing

1897
01:24:40,150 --> 01:24:38,030
but I don't know it's um I think Laura

1898
01:24:43,300 --> 01:24:40,160
puts it very well when it comes to

1899
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:43,310
particularly to the equipment 30 foot 35

1900
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:45,920
millimeter does not interpret what it's

1901
01:24:51,340 --> 01:24:49,040
saying digital media do interpret what

1902
01:24:52,810 --> 01:24:51,350
they see you know in a sense of light

1903
01:24:53,740 --> 01:24:52,820
and all the sort of thing and people

1904
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:53,750
just run with it

1905
01:25:00,190 --> 01:24:57,170
yeah it's dust or snowflake and you know

1906
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:00,200
raha a quote-unquote spirit orb or

1907
01:25:03,550 --> 01:25:01,850
something I mean and and but the I've

1908
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:03,560
seen orbs with the naked eye as well and

1909
01:25:08,050 --> 01:25:06,410
yeah you're right Lawrence just when you

1910
01:25:09,580 --> 01:25:08,060
think you have them figured out they do

1911
01:25:12,510 --> 01:25:09,590
something you don't expect on the actor

1912
01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:12,520
intelligently and it's quite interesting

1913
01:25:18,850 --> 01:25:15,440
well or those orbs come in all shapes

1914
01:25:22,620 --> 01:25:18,860
and sizes we've had ours yeah yeah yeah

1915
01:25:25,300 --> 01:25:22,630
we've had a number of people on the

1916
01:25:30,780 --> 01:25:25,310
program talking about them and of course

1917
01:25:34,060 --> 01:25:30,790
down in Marley woods Union Pennsylvania

1918
01:25:38,440 --> 01:25:34,070
not Pennsylvania and Missouri Missouri

1919
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:38,450
yet they come in all the all the colors

1920
01:25:45,910 --> 01:25:43,040
and sizes some as small as a baseball

1921
01:25:50,350 --> 01:25:45,920
and some I understand is

1922
01:25:52,930 --> 01:25:50,360
is a big is a 30 feet across and now

1923
01:25:55,060 --> 01:25:52,940
they've started going into people's

1924
01:25:58,060 --> 01:25:55,070
houses there used to be seen around

1925
01:26:01,390 --> 01:25:58,070
barner in the field or what-have-you and

1926
01:26:03,580 --> 01:26:01,400
now they're now they're all over the all

1927
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:03,590
over the place and I'm sure there are

1928
01:26:08,169 --> 01:26:06,530
other you know locations now your place

1929
01:26:12,010 --> 01:26:08,179
there in Pennsylvania Paul do they have

1930
01:26:13,660 --> 01:26:12,020
warps or yes yes yeah that's true that

1931
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:13,670
they do they have just about everything

1932
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:16,250
there we haven't seen any upright what

1933
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:19,040
is Linda Godfrey come up right

1934
01:26:24,850 --> 01:26:21,770
unknown canine cryptid seen any of them

1935
01:26:25,780 --> 01:26:24,860
but but you mentioned that Marley woods

1936
01:26:28,780 --> 01:26:25,790
and I think you have Ted Phillips

1937
01:26:30,970 --> 01:26:28,790
Phillips yes yes absolutely and he

1938
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:30,980
believes that those orbs are probes of

1939
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:34,370
some kind not necessarily from aliens in

1940
01:26:40,209 --> 01:26:37,010
the classic oh no no I think he's given

1941
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:40,219
up on the interplanetary you know

1942
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:42,170
explanation for all of these things or

1943
01:26:48,100 --> 01:26:45,770
they could be you know when we say alien

1944
01:26:51,430 --> 01:26:48,110
I mean alien encompasses a hell of a lot

1945
01:26:53,709 --> 01:26:51,440
of things I mean I necessarily not be

1946
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:53,719
from other planets I mean yeah yeah shut

1947
01:26:56,830 --> 01:26:55,520
off any possibility but there's plenty

1948
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:56,840
of other possibilities we need to

1949
01:27:01,660 --> 01:26:59,360
consider in all areas of the paranormal

1950
01:27:03,610 --> 01:27:01,670
our opinion a minute so you have to say

1951
01:27:05,950 --> 01:27:03,620
you couldn't make it up anyway and you

1952
01:27:07,300 --> 01:27:05,960
know to to broaden the mind and broaden

1953
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:07,310
the possibilities I think is only going

1954
01:27:15,490 --> 01:27:10,370
to help well I see where we're closing

1955
01:27:18,130 --> 01:27:15,500
in on the midnight hour and we'll have

1956
01:27:21,340 --> 01:27:18,140
to be shutting down and going back into

1957
01:27:25,570 --> 01:27:21,350
our coffins and being although all the

1958
01:27:32,110 --> 01:27:25,580
way only to recharge hoping to emerge

1959
01:27:33,130 --> 01:27:32,120
during during a Sun sunlight Paul why

1960
01:27:34,780 --> 01:27:33,140
don't you why don't we spend the last

1961
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:34,790
few minutes here everybody gets a chance

1962
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:36,800
to tell us what they're doing you're

1963
01:27:40,959 --> 01:27:38,810
giving any any talks any conferences

1964
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:40,969
coming up around your neck of the woods

1965
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:45,250
yeah well the big ones will be at the

1966
01:27:50,350 --> 01:27:47,840
Reposado symposium in New Hampshire two

1967
01:27:52,780 --> 01:27:50,360
weeks ago we'll be at the Exeter New

1968
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:52,790
Hampshire UFO Festival in on Labor Day

1969
01:27:57,189 --> 01:27:54,890
weekend we've being done in myself and

1970
01:27:59,790 --> 01:27:57,199
then also with the new lingua 4

1971
01:28:02,590 --> 01:27:59,800
conference in October so we'll be

1972
01:28:06,129 --> 01:28:02,600
and maybe and I'd love to make it to

1973
01:28:11,050 --> 01:28:06,139
Exeter I had my niece I stopped driving

1974
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:11,060
a few years ago I had my Anissa drive me

1975
01:28:17,110 --> 01:28:14,090
and Carol my artist and associate here

1976
01:28:20,470 --> 01:28:17,120
up to Pine Bush we went to the Pine Bush

1977
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:20,480
UFO Festival and they had a few speakers

1978
01:28:26,260 --> 01:28:23,570
Linda Zimmerman and Peter Robinson will

1979
01:28:27,820 --> 01:28:26,270
be a guest on the program next week and

1980
01:28:31,300 --> 01:28:27,830
then we had it we had a grand time

1981
01:28:33,189 --> 01:28:31,310
although other parade only lasted for a

1982
01:28:35,379 --> 01:28:33,199
couple of minutes because it turns out

1983
01:28:37,660 --> 01:28:35,389
that Pine Bush of course I was there in

1984
01:28:39,820 --> 01:28:37,670
the 1980s but that's a long time ago

1985
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:39,830
it's not really a town it's a hamlet

1986
01:28:46,689 --> 01:28:43,280
inside another town so you kind of

1987
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:46,699
figure that out but duck your books tell

1988
01:28:49,780 --> 01:28:48,650
us a poem what what you're working on

1989
01:28:52,180 --> 01:28:49,790
what's the title of the new book coming

1990
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:52,190
out what you got out currently and how

1991
01:28:56,950 --> 01:28:54,770
can people hear you show so we'll just

1992
01:28:59,979 --> 01:28:56,960
remember three words in all cases behind

1993
01:29:02,169 --> 01:28:59,989
the paranormal dot-com is the website

1994
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:02,179
the show was on Sundays as you know

1995
01:29:06,430 --> 01:29:04,850
they've been many times behind the

1996
01:29:08,229 --> 01:29:06,440
paranormal everything you know was wrong

1997
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:08,239
from shivered came out last November and

1998
01:29:11,620 --> 01:29:10,010
then coming out the end of this month

1999
01:29:13,810 --> 01:29:11,630
from barking cat books behind the

2000
01:29:14,979 --> 01:29:13,820
paranormal Bigfoot Mothman and monsters

2001
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:14,989
you've never heard of but again the

2002
01:29:18,729 --> 01:29:17,330
website behind the paranormal comm tell

2003
01:29:22,149 --> 01:29:18,739
you all about the show in the books and

2004
01:29:24,910 --> 01:29:22,159
start there yn and you are considered by

2005
01:29:26,050 --> 01:29:24,920
many to be the most intelligent man in

2006
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:26,060
the paranormal

2007
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:30,170
well that's mere problem yes but also a

2008
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:33,730
fun guest to have on and I'm sorryi

2009
01:29:38,530 --> 01:29:36,530
Joshua was not able to join us this

2010
01:29:40,959 --> 01:29:38,540
evening because of communications

2011
01:29:46,180 --> 01:29:40,969
problems he could have used a little bit

2012
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:46,190
of a PvP help but perhaps at perhaps in

2013
01:29:50,740 --> 01:29:48,650
the in the future and Nepal I thank you

2014
01:29:54,010 --> 01:29:50,750
for last minute literally five minutes

2015
01:29:56,950 --> 01:29:54,020
before yo time and and the Laura you

2016
01:30:00,490 --> 01:29:56,960
take it away at the Laurel Hoffman what

2017
01:30:03,010 --> 01:30:00,500
what's on your agenda well right now

2018
01:30:04,540 --> 01:30:03,020
June 20th I'll be at the New Jersey

2019
01:30:06,820 --> 01:30:04,550
coast honor society meeting in

2020
01:30:09,310 --> 01:30:06,830
Hackettstown doing a presentation on

2021
01:30:11,860 --> 01:30:09,320
ghosts of the Poconos

2022
01:30:13,900 --> 01:30:11,870
then come October I'll be you know I'm

2023
01:30:16,090 --> 01:30:13,910
usually on the road a lot presenting on

2024
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:16,100
all the books whether it's on New Jersey

2025
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:19,850
New York City and the Poconos and I also

2026
01:30:23,610 --> 01:30:21,890
have presentations scheduled of the

2027
01:30:25,870 --> 01:30:23,620
haunted New Jersey and spiritual

2028
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:25,880
spiritualism presentation I'll be doing

2029
01:30:32,500 --> 01:30:28,250
October 24th so there's some neat things

2030
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:32,510
going on people can check out NJ GHS net

2031
01:30:36,220 --> 01:30:34,010
that's the new jersey goes on our

2032
01:30:39,190 --> 01:30:36,230
society dotnet website all the

2033
01:30:40,990 --> 01:30:39,200
information for our meetings is there

2034
01:30:43,330 --> 01:30:41,000
it's free and open to the public to

2035
01:30:46,300 --> 01:30:43,340
attend any meetings so we welcome that

2036
01:30:48,220 --> 01:30:46,310
if you have some spooky photographs or

2037
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:48,230
eerie recordings things you're not quite

2038
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:49,970
sure of just bring it for share and

2039
01:30:55,420 --> 01:30:52,610
scare and we'll review it well I must

2040
01:30:58,750 --> 01:30:55,430
say you have been a very delightful and

2041
01:31:01,630 --> 01:30:58,760
intelligent guess that I'm glad I am I

2042
01:31:03,580 --> 01:31:01,640
am asked you to be on the the program in

2043
01:31:07,470 --> 01:31:03,590
fact that I want to hear more from you

2044
01:31:11,230 --> 01:31:07,480
in the future you're one of the the best

2045
01:31:13,510 --> 01:31:11,240
ghosts the storytellers that you there

2046
01:31:16,870 --> 01:31:13,520
we generally and then we cousin we've

2047
01:31:19,450 --> 01:31:16,880
had on the on the show and we are

2048
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:19,460
concluding our program for the evening

2049
01:31:25,900 --> 01:31:22,130
next week it's a Peter Robinson a

2050
01:31:28,420 --> 01:31:25,910
special guest abductee from Norway we've

2051
01:31:35,590 --> 01:31:28,430
got to show a planned on the Kenneth

2052
01:31:41,990 --> 01:31:38,540
you've been listening to exploring the

2053
01:31:45,170 --> 01:31:42,000
bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley and

2054
01:31:47,450 --> 01:31:45,180
King Swartz they're taking back the

2055
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:47,460
night by jetting nonstop above the

2056
01:31:54,980 --> 01:31:50,610
puzzles in search of a truly bizarre and

2057
01:31:57,790 --> 01:31:54,990
totally explain if you as their combined

2058
01:32:02,740 --> 01:31:57,800
Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific

2059
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:02,750
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2060
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:05,610
for more information on exploring the

2061
01:32:11,330 --> 01:32:08,850
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2062
01:32:14,540 --> 01:32:11,340
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2063
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:14,550
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2064
01:32:31,950 --> 01:32:19,610
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